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DanS is offline DanS
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To hear Chirac tell it, the "Anglo Saxons" are the new Vikings of the 21st century -- poised to lay waste to the fair French countryside.

All I have to say is... give us Normandy, or Paris gets sacked!



http://news.independent.co.uk/europ...sp?story=629558

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A French 'no' to EU will delight British, Chirac tells voters
By John Lichfield in Paris

15 April 2005

A French Non to the EU constitution will "boomerang" against France and delight "Anglo-Saxon" opponents of a powerful Europe, President Jacques Chirac said.

In his first major contribution to France's increasingly sour EU referendum campaign, President Chirac made it clear that, if the country votes "no", he will ignore the precedent set by his political idol Charles de Gaulle and refuse to resign.

Debating with 83 young people in a two-hour television political chat show, M. Chirac put up a spirited - if often vague - defence of the proposed new European Union constitution.

France's voice in Europe would be "silenced" and "Anglo-Saxon" enemies of the EU - in both Britain and America - would be delighted if the French reject a constitution "largely inspired by France and French values," he said.

Far from being a surrender to "liberal" (ie capitalist) values, as left-wing opponents claim, President Chirac said that the constitution enshrined the French view that market forces were essential but should be "organised" and "humanised".

He begged the young people invited to the debate at the Elysée Palace - and French voters generally - to "have no fear". France loved to dwell on its problems, he said, but the country had no reason to "plunge into pessimism" and fear that it would lose economically or politically from the constitution.

"We can always say 'let's reject all that' but please realise that won't solve any of our problems," he said. "You will weaken considerably the voice of France and its capacity to defend its interests. That's what I call a 'boomerang effect'."

In 13 consecutive opinion polls in the past month, French voters have said that they are planning to reject the EU constitution in a referendum on 29 May. A French Non would in effect wreck the treaty and leave the enlarged EU to struggle on with its existing system of decision-making.

Opposition to the treaty is especially strong on the left. In part this is a protest vote against 10 per cent unemployment, President Chirac and the floundering centre-right government of Jean-Pierre Raffarin.

But even many moderate left-wing voters have been persuaded that - quite contrary to the Eurosceptic arguments deployed in Britain - the proposed constitution is an "ultra-liberal", Thatcherite blue-print for savage competition and destruction of public services.

M. Chirac's audience expressed doubts and confusion about the text. Even those who were broadly pro-treaty, said that - on reading it - they could not grasp its central point or understand much of the detail.

One young woman asked M. Chirac to give "two or three concrete" examples of how the constitution would benefit France. M. Chirac struggled to give a simple answer. He mentioned a boom in French trade with eastern Europe; the fact that the treaty would enshrine women's rights; and would increase co-operation against international crime.

But he kept coming back to his central message: France had nothing to fear; this was a French text, hated by "les Anglo Saxons".

M. Chirac was asked if he would follow the example General de Gaulle, who resigned as president in 1969 after losing a referendum on regional government. President Chirac said that he could reply to that question in one word: Non.

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Chirac is a nationalistc ditzhead.

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and this bothers you why ?

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In France the EU constitution looks Thatcherite. In Britain it looks leftish. Of course these two countries belong in the same political entity

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and this bothers you why ?


I just think it's funny. Good way to pass the time on a Friday afternoon at work.

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Chirac is so desperate that he plays the card of the anti-Anglo rivalry to boost the yes. Amazing

Thanks DanS. I have always believed the yes would eventually win as the establishment parties would pump up their campaign. However, when I see such arguments, it looks like they're more desperate than I expected

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i am still at work (20.36PM)

but it is indeed funny to see how you americans get all worked up if someone 'attacks' your culture.

oh, and btw since i'm from flanders and we had to kick the french out several times in our history i'm not too keen on their culture neither.

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'10% French unemployment'

I see my boycott is having an effect. Now the French will destroy the EU and throw Chirac out. Everything is going according to plan.

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the dark side clouds ev-er-y-thing !!!

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but it is indeed funny to see how you americans get all worked up if someone 'attacks' your culture.


Get this straight! We're Anglo Saxons and Ghent is near the area of France we're set to pillage! Don't piss us off.

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Far from being a surrender to "liberal" (ie capitalist) values, as left-wing opponents claim, President Chirac said that the constitution enshrined the French view that market forces were essential but should be "organised" and "humanised".


Why the hell should a constitution enshrine such detailed economic values?

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Because 'constitution' here is a misnomer and is in fact a confluencing of other treaties.

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I think it's hard to call a Constitution as 'surrendering to capitalist values' when there is a right to state provided health care within it. I realize most countries of the world have it. But what capitalist value is that?

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Imran: it's the other things that get criticized. The public service of health (which isn't precisely guaranteed IIRC, as the constitution enshrines a right to access to health services, not a right to recieve them for free) is taken for granted by the French audience.

The constitution enshrines the liberalization of pretty much everything, and it goes completely opposite to the French economic values. It is seen as a terrible regression by most people on the left (and quite a few people on the right). This constitution is far more capitalistic than what our current ways, and that's why it's considered as "thatcherite" (the word we use is "ultra-liberal").

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that article forgot one important thing (figures.) Chirac also said that he does not understand that pessimisme of the youth (who are the main voters against the constitutions) and this highlights something important:hes out of touch with the youth of the country, and hes getting old, and maybe he should go. heres the original artical that AP ripped off of

http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0...1-634441,0.html

also, dont forget he plays to the farmers with the PAC.

i dont see why DanS is so surprised by what chirac said. this is tailored to a french audience. what do you think bushes speeches sound like in europe when he talks about the evil french, and how europe sucks, to a domestic audience?

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i dont see why DanS is so surprised by what chirac said.


Who said I was surprised?

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Who said I was surprised?



well, maybe you werent

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Chirac

His perception of the global Anglo-Saxon threat is pretty much in tune with mine.

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Chirac

His perception of the global Anglo-Saxon threat is pretty much in tune with mine.



We've been after you ever since the days of The Muscovy Company.

Give us your blinis, caviare and sour cream now!

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A French Non to the EU constitution will "boomerang" against France and delight "Anglo-Saxon" opponents of a powerful Europe, President Jacques Chirac said.


* C0ckney is proud to call himself an anglo-saxon opponent of a powerful europe.

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What would be really funny would be the French No vote being followed by a Brit Yes vote because the death of the last Brit automotive company could help Brits to think that unlimited liberalism is not as good as claimed by the current fashionable economic theory.

The manufacturing industry in the US has also been killed for the same reason, but as God was never interested in this subject (as you know, there is no mention in the Bible), corrective actions were not taken, and will not be taken in the future, that is before the end of the word, which is anticipated before long.

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We've been after you ever since the days of The Muscovy Company.

Give us your blinis, caviare and sour cream now!





Shirac whining about "anglo saxon influence" in culture
enshrining capitalism in the constitution

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Chirac whining about "anglo saxon influence" in culture




They have the Academie Francaise to keep out le weekend, le shopping, le sandwich and le red hot jazz baby, but French people will persist in buying food at Marks and Spencer's, wearing Levi's jeans, and listening to Massive Attack, Skunk Anansie and watching Alfred Hitchcock films and 'Blade Runner' .


I'm reliably informed, they even like Edgar Allan Poe and American film noir. Or should that be filme black ?


Or does American use of French words still count as Anglo-Saxon domination, or is it permissible ?

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In Chirac's mind no election issue is to lowly to bring anti-Americanism in to blame.

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They have the Academie Francaise to keep out le weekend, le shopping, le sandwich

Did you know? These three words are used "as is" in France, and have no French equivalent outside of Québec.

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I'm reliably informed, they even like Edgar Allan Poe and American film noir. Or should that be filme black ?

"film" is the French word as well

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In Chirac's mind no election issue is to lowly to bring anti-Americanism in to blame.

To be fair with Chirac, it's merely a cheap and demagogic argument. Chirac isn't obsessed with antiamericanism. He's obsessed with winning. Demagogery has always been his forte, and his amazing repertoire isn't limited to antiamericanism (in the current case, it's more about anti-Englishism really)

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Did you know? These three words are used "as is" in France, and have no French equivalent outside of Québec.


Except for sandwich. We use that one too.

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Chirac is a nationalistc ditzhead.

Nationalism promoting supranationalism?

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I see my boycott is having an effect. Now the French will destroy the EU and throw Chirac out. Everything is going according to plan.


Yep... throw Chirac out. And then whom will they replace him with? Le Pen, A neo-fascist nut? Jospin, A Socialist? (don't think the US would like that...). You can hate Chirac as much as you like, but you know he'll only ever be replaced by another Frenchman.

I think Chirac lamenting the invasion of anglo-saxon culture into France is a little rich however. Only 200 years ago they were trying to do the same to the rest of Europe.... and in 1066 they made certain that a large slice of "anglo-saxon" culture would forever be French....

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Chirac is a nationalistc ditzhead.

Nationalism promoting supranationalism?



Yep... throw Chirac out. And then whom will they replace him with? Le Pen, A neo-fascist nut? Jospin, A Socialist? (don't think the US would like that...). You can hate Chirac as much as you like, but you know he'll only ever be replaced by another Frenchman.


So your saying that Chirac is the best they can possibly do? That's pretty sad don't you think.

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but it is indeed funny to see how you americans get all worked up if someone 'attacks' your culture.



Actually we just find it amusing.

 
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