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St Leo is offline St Leo
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Your design is ready for deployment to the main page. Sunday, I asked for the FTP password in the Admin forum and then messaged Markos. No response yet.

Once the main page is up, I will investigate applying your design to the rest of the site and re-examine the wiki.

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Thanks for all your work guys. I can finally get to the information on ToT flags now. This weekend I can probably take a crack at creating my events file.

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Quite. DanQ just sent me the new password, so I'll have something up later tonight when I get home.

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I don't have write permissions to files owned by calltopower. And the site is down again. Bah humbug.

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What does all that mean?

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Hooray for St. Leo! It's up (partially) at last.

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DanQ fixed the subdomains, so what I uploaded yesterday shows up now. However, I still can't write to any of the subdirectories and the like. Hmm.

Oh, and our database no-workey. Weird. Could be related to the password change, but I can't update the database login password as long as I don't own most of the *.php files.

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It seems there has been progress, and we get the Wiki, whether we want it or not. Why do we even bother?

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Aaaw, geez. Sorry, Techumseh.

Look, your plan was to get a bunch of volunteers and have each do a section in HTML. I assure you that it would not scale, and it would require an enormous amount of unrewarding work from everyone. The system would break down before we reach twenty pages.

We can do exactly the same thing with a Wiki, except that the layout will be done automagically, nothing will be accidentally overwritten, no one will be able to lose twenty hours of work by accident, and so on.

I like your layout. I have appropriated a fair bit of it already, and I'll try to grab more.

I'll try to get skeletal section prototypes up tomorrow. You'll be able to poke around and intuit in no time.

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I like what I see

(BTW, everybody, if you dislike the menu to the left, it can be moved to the right, be left floating or allright disabled by simply registering and changing your preferences.)

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I like what I see


Thanks.

Just give me a bit more time. I'll probably be disappearing off the net over the weekend, so a bit more time should not factor in those three days.

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(BTW, everybody, if you dislike the menu to the left, it can be moved to the right, be left floating or allright disabled by simply registering and changing your preferences.)


Uh, not in the default skin. You can do it if you switch to CologneBlue, but I advise against it.

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Oh... Well, I hadn't tried, so...

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It's beginning to shine St. Leo

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All right, I have to admit you've done a lot on this Leo. Maybe it can work.

I've registered, and I'd like to start work on the contest pages. But there's no information on how to edit. For example, I'd like to get rid of some of those little buttons cluttering up the rules section. How? I want to upload Mercator's map so it can be downloaded as well. Can you link to an editing guide?

Also, on the scenario page, I think it would be preferable if we organized it according to members. John Ellis is a fine scenario designer, but he's not active on SL and never has been AFAIR. Can we set up pages for our active members and allow them to edit them themselves? I'd like to see a page for Curt, OM, Exile, etc.

The same goes for graphics. Instead of sorting by period, could we do it by artist - Fairline, Tanelorn, BE, etc?

My suggestion is that we make this site member focused, which will encourage participation in the site, and will distinguish if from other sites out there.

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Techumseh,

There's an upload file option at the bottomleft. Use it to upload images. Try it and practice on your personal wiki homepage.

http://sleague.apolyton.net/index.p...=Special:Upload

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Brian, is it possible to do it both ways?

I don't mind Creator's sections, that's cool.

But I'd like to see things divided by period too.

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Brian, is it possible to do it both ways?

I don't mind Creator's sections, that's cool.

But I'd like to see things divided by period too.


Fully agree with Exile!

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This internet spot is looking awsome. If there is any grunt-work surfing, typing, or anything that I could do to help, I would be pleased to! I do not have really excellent computer skills of any sort...

PS: the previous incarnation was where I did most of my learning about scenario building (except for live questions answered here at the poly forum) the last year. It's a really good service for civers.

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Is it possible with wiki magic to have scenarios listedmultiple ways? for example, could scenarios be displayed in order of # times dowloaded (popularity), date created, version type... with some sort of 'display by...' options?

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Okay, I need to make a tutorial or two, maybe write some guidelines, and then start recruiting volunteers. Feeling a bit under the weather right now.

Also, I think the best section for volunteers to start populating is the Tips one, and it's not ready yet.

Creating New Pages

Do you see the title bit in the URL:
sleague.apolyton.net/index.php?title=Bonaparte

You create a new page by changing it to your desired page title and hitting enter:
sleague.apolyton.net/index.php?title=Bonaparte
sleague.apolyton.net/index.php?title=Red Front

The easiest approach is to copy the contents of a similar page beforehand and edit that. Edit and preview. Edit and preview. Edit and preview and learn.:P


(For questionable reasons, I've been turning everyone into a category. Exile turns into Category:Exile, Mercator turns into Category:Mercator, Jim Panse turns into Category:Jim Panse, and so on. If you place a [[Category:Exile]] bit at the end an article, a link to it is automatically created in the Category:Exile article.)

Learning Notes

A lot of the pages start off with a short table, and that's probably the hardest bit of learning a Wiki.

By Period

The pretty scenario and review listings are copy-and-paste rather than automated. It's not as scary as it sounds. We should worry about By Period listings and stuff like that later, when there are more people comfortable with the what's being done. They aren't hard to add, but there are probably cleverer approaches that aren't yet obvious.

Ideas:
- lists of Favourite Scenarios by members of the community
- etc.

Attachment: tutorial_editing.png
This has been downloaded 70 time(s).

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is the tutorial done?

EDIT: I just check the posting date

EDIT2: http://sleague.apolyton.net/index.php?title=Red_Front
It's a work in progress, don't laugh, edit it!

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I'm a little leery of uploading numbnails right now, I don't have Nemo's permission to use one his unit graphics as an icon, but I'm going to use one anyways because the Raging Dragon thumbnail just doesn't fit for the scenario

EDIT: much better now, but would someone please rewrite my description?

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Excellent work, H Tower. You are getting the hang of it.

Some edits:
- Changed [[Red Front v1.4]] to [[Red Front]] v1.4 because we don't want a separate page for each version.

- Split up [[Category:Captain Nemo and Alex Mor]] into [[Category:Captain Nemo]] and [[Category:Alex Mor]]

- (Same for [[:Category:Captain Nemo and Alex Mor|Captain Nemo and Alex Mor]] into [[:Category:Captain Nemo|Captain Nemo]] and [[:Category:Alex Mor|Alex Mor]])

- Created a page for Captain Nemo and Alex by copying the Red Front summary table to it and categorizing them as Designers

- Copied the Red Front row to the Historical Civ2 Scenarios table

- Copied the Red Front review summary to arthVeda">DarthVeda's page and made him a reviewer

- Copied the Red Front review summary to the Reviews page


(Also, I've just discovered wiki Templates. It's a way to insert canned text into a page. Good for navigation controls and blurbs (e.g. a Template:Leo's Favourite Scenarios link collection, inserted on relevant pages with a {{Leo's Favourite Scenarios}} thingie. Haven't used it yet.

Categories are meant to include everything, and templates are just for easy navigation between highlights.

I am at work right now.)

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This is how I originally had it, but then I remembered Colwyn's v1.5, which since it is by a different author probably deserves a seperate page?
...
Also, that description of Red Front is pretty poor, mostly a filler while I did the rest of the page, but now it's plastered on half a dozen pages, is there no way to make it where we only have to change it once and not several times? Keep the continuity without the extra work?
...
I think for a while I'm going to concentrate on making people pages instead of scenarios, so I can avoid doing both at the same time...

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Question: How are we representing the dates? The scenarios in the wiki now only have a start date, I've been pointing at some scenarios with start and end date. do we want only the start date, or both?

check out: http://sleague.apolyton.net/index.p...ry:Captain_Nemo for what I mean.

and yes, that was me that put in 194X, I'm too lazy to go see when the scenario starts.

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quote:
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This is how I originally had it, but then I remembered Colwyn's v1.5, which since it is by a different author probably deserves a seperate page?


We could have them share the page, or we could create a [[Red Front (Colwyn)]] and link to it from [[Red Front]].

quote:
Also, that description of Red Front is pretty poor, mostly a filler while I did the rest of the page, but now it's plastered on half a dozen pages, is there no way to make it where we only have to change it once and not several times? Keep the continuity without the extra work?


Not without making the learning curve steeper.

I am experimenting with templates right now, and they could be used for that, but a new user would have problems figuring out what was going on. Remembering to create that second page is a counter-intuitive kink.

It would probably be best to just swallow the copy-and-paste unless we want to have a lot more duplicate views. Right now, we have All Scenarios, Historical Scenarios, Fictional Scenarios, and By Author. I think By Century is unnecessary -- it's more of a convenient split than a natural way of thinking about things. We'd be better off with theme-oriented categories/templates -- Roman Empire Scenarios, WW2 Scenarios, etc -- and those should not be just a table.

You can go to Red Front and click on What Links Here if you are losing track. Personally, I rely on the Categories at the bottom. If it's a category, it probably has a relevant table.

quote:
I think for a while I'm going to concentrate on making people pages instead of scenarios, so I can avoid doing both at the same time...


Do what you think is best.

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Question: How are we representing the dates? The scenarios in the wiki now only have a start date, I've been pointing at some scenarios with start and end date. do we want only the start date, or both?


Go for just the start date.

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and yes, that was me that put in 194X, I'm too lazy to go see when the scenario starts.


Just ballpark the decade then. 1940 is good enough.

 
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