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techumseh is offline techumseh
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Here's my first try at SL's "New Look". Please let me know what you think, plus any suggestions are welcome.

http://www.tecumseh.150m.com/SL_New_Look.html

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Here's my first try at SL's "New Look". Please let me know what you think, plus any suggestions are welcome.

http://www.tecumseh.150m.com/SL_New_Look.html


I like the theme. It has an "adventure" quality to it that I think is fun.

I would include on the front page a section for news blips that would cover anything big happening in the various sections.

Also, and this is a neat way to form a network with the various communities, I would allow a section for news items from the other big Civ2 communities out there. Contributing editors from the other sites could submit news. They share their knowledge, we share ours, and everyone is all one big happy family.

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Gettysburg?

Topics cover the gamut for me. I'd fit it on one screen, though. How will it integrate with the current page? Will 'resources' include some kind of wiki work?

Currently we cover only Civ2. Perhaps that should be clarified on the title bar.

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Personally, I love it!



I'll be back with more comments in a few hours -

- I have to get some shuteye!

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The graphics are good, but you may want to optimize the logo for a lower resolution.

I've installed MediaWiki on my own server and am playing around with it right now. Will see what I can make the thing do.

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It's looking good!

I'd move the menu bar more to the left and pu the entries closer together, so that you don't have to scroll as much... It'd also leave space for news and all that stuff to be placed centrered on the screen, which looks better IMHO.

techumseh is offline techumseh
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Does anyone know flash?

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I know flash, but am more adept with AfterFX!

What do you need doing?

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Looks good. Can you elaborate on the 'resources' button?

The 'who we are' text runs into the 'a civilazation scenario community' text at my screen res BTW (1024x768)

I agree with Harry - a 'news' section would be good (maybe the latest snippet to be displayed beneath the title section?)

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I really like the 1860's look of the whole page - Top marks!

The page could be a teeny bit smaller vertically, in order to suit different screen sizes...

Just my aesthetic feedback!

How do you plan to handle the links, and where will they lead?
To these pages on SL?

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Does anyone know flash?


I have a copy of Flash MX which I occasionally tinker with. What would you need?

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I have a copy of Flash MX which I occasionally tinker with. What would you need?


We won't need it until quite a bit later, but I was hoping to add a bit of action to the site. I was impressed by the menus on the site for "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen". http://www.foxhome.com/lxg/ (bad movie - nice site) Sahara also caught my eye: http://www.saharamovie.com/

Does it produce a file which is then inserted into a site like a movie? I really don't have a clue about it.

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The design is terrific, though a bit big, static and graphics intensive. But please hold on techumseh (and everybody), before we continue with this... Oh, and for God's sake, no Flash!

If indeed we are going to make the SLeague website a Wiki, we do not need a design. Look at the link St Leo posted, and the various Wiki's he referred to in the "Welcome Back!" thread. The only thing we'd need is a logo.

The breakdown into different sections seems OK, though. But I think that's something we have to look into further.

So let's focus on the information architecture now, that is, how the website will be organized rather than what it will look like... I just followed a course on exactly this sort of stuff, so bow before me you ignorant laymen! ... um, I mean, let's all think of something together. (nevermind that I probably failed the class)

Here's my suggestion:

  • News
  • About/Who We Are
  • Resources... Guides about creating graphics, scenarios, hex-editing, review guidelines and what not. I think we don't really need the SL Magazine anymore, if we get this right. The Magazine can instead become a set of "featured" articles on the front page. We can use the forum to encourage people to submit new stuff.
  • Files... Graphics, utilities etc. and obviously scenarios. Rather than having a separate reviews section, it could be a subsection of this. Each file has a description and links to all its reviews.
  • Contests
  • Forum
  • Links

techumseh is offline techumseh
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Harry, I had planned a news section, and will add one just as soon as I figure out how to add pics/links horizontally. (As I said, my skills at HTML are minimal)

I'm going to reduce the size of the list and push it up and to the left, to leave more room for news and other features. I'll tone down the map border and reduce it's width, esp. on top, bottom and left. Dave, Gettysburg because I've always thought the contemporary maps of the battle were very cool.

Resources will lead to 3 pages as currently envisioned: Tips, Graphics, and Sounds. Tips to include the existing SL tips, with links to the Cradle of Civilization guides and Catfish's site. Graphics leads to units, terrain and Cities/icons/people. Units further subdivides into the categories decided on the 'Welcome Back' thread, and will be sorted by artist. My idea (let me know if it's good or bad) is that the better work will be regularly lifted from the topped threads and added to the site. We'd need an editor of graphics to do this.

Downloads will lead to Scenarios and Utilities/patches. How would people like to sort the scenarios? We might do it by author rather than by period. Also, I was thinking that we could divide them into those being playtested and those that are finished. y/n?

The rest is pretty straightforward. Raid a few of the more recent reviews, put the new contest stuff up directly and add links to the old ones, upload the old SL files and hope Curt and his posse produce new issues , link to these forums and add links to all the main resource sites around, including the present SL site.

Leo, I'm unfamiliar with wiki, and would need a tutorial. How would you work it into the site? What other features would people like incorporated into the site?

Finally, I need some help producing this site with someone who has better HTML skills than me. I can help with design, but I'm not the guy to produce the final product. Volunteers?

Attachment: extra.gif
This has been downloaded 277 time(s).

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Sadly, I'm not a webhead and can't really help out with this technical stuff, but I like what you've done so far tech.

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So let's focus on the information architecture now, that is, how the website will be organized rather than what it will look like... I just followed a course on exactly this sort of stuff, so bow before me you ignorant laymen! ... um, I mean, let's all think of something together. (nevermind that I probably failed the class)


What!? Focus on content before appearance?

I like the idea of having links to both scens and their respective reviews on the same page.

If we go wiki, who would get it rolling? Leo? The master of ignorant laymen? In a wiki format, can we address Fairline's concern about gfx and scen buggering? Is there such a beast as a site containing a conventional files section and wiki reviews and guides? If no one with the necessary skills is available to set this wiki-style up with low maintenance, then we'll need to start rolling with a conventional format such as Tech's excellent start here.

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Hmm, the extra.gif is not showing.

Othweriwise I think we're getting somewhere.

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The bakground that I suppose should be there isn't showing.

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Still being uploaded, methinks!

Looking damn good, Tech!

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Does it produce a file which is then inserted into a site like a movie? I really don't have a clue about it.


You could do that, making an intro movie after which you can jump to the main page, or could simply use it for an animated banner or navigation bar.

Then again, you can make the entire site with Flash, which requires more experience than I can ever accumulate.

EIther way, I really suck at Flash, so I'm afraid that I wouldn't be of much help.

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Still being uploaded, methinks!


Nope. He made an error in the HTML. The image links are pointing to the folder on his computer rather than to the location on the website.

techumseh is offline techumseh
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Sorry, I tried using Frontpage for the first time. It's obviously a bit trickier. I'll try to fix it tonight.

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Try doing it in Notepad. That's what I do... Well, not quite notepad, I use a text editor with a bit more functionality. It's the best way to learn it.

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Sorry, I tried using Frontpage for the first time. It's obviously a bit trickier. I'll try to fix it tonight.


Frontpage has an annoying trick of changing your references. It thinks it knows better than you what you meant. I can't imagine where it got that idea from.

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There are easy to use blog programs which can be used to post news easily...

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I think a Wiki is more appropriate than WordPress or -- Athena forbid -- a Slash-clone like PHPNuke or PostNuke. I'll get one up and running this weekend.

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OK, it should be working now. I simplified the design and added navigation links to (currently blank) pages where the various content can be uploaded. Further suggestions are welcome.

Please indicate if you think we should adopt this as the new look and general design of the SL site. Thanks.

http://www.tecumseh.150m.com/SL_New_Look.html

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I have one word for it = Kinky!

I love the site, so how are thing going to be set out?

Where are those links going to lead, and will they connect to this forum?

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We'll adopt the side border, the images, and the colours.

Do you still have the first prototype around? A tileable border/background would be useful.

 
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