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I've had an interesting past week. Here's the skinny:

Some of the faculty in the Physics Dept. at UT are trying to create a lounge. But there's a severe space shortage in the university (basically, because the Board of Regents are a bunch of unaccountable ****wits appointed by the Governor that hate the idea of public education), so what they want to do is take ~628 square feet of administrative staff office space - consisting of a couple peoples' desks, a room for copying, file space, etc., - basically a full space, and cram it into the undergrad student lounge, ~303 square feet. That lounge, which is crammed itself with a fridge, chalkboards, lockers, a computer, a microwave, tables, etc., is going to be squeezed into an area much smaller (one proposal is to get a space less than half the current area and is more out of the way, and the other proposal is to get a little larger and more out of the way space than that proposal).

This planning was all done with minimal consultation from the staff and students: the Physics chair (faculty) created a committee consisting of former chairs (more faculty) to create a fact-finding report, and the chair would have final decision on what happens. The principal member of the committee than presented the plan a fait accompli to the staff and the students, and they didn't even bother to inform the students about the staff's loss of space.

So naturally, older undergrads were pretty pissed off since this louge had been vital to our UT experience, and would be to future generations. So, principally myself and another senior decided to protest. We and others, last Sunday, moved the furniture in the lounge into the neighboring [administrative] hallway - in a non-obstructing way, and set up the couch right across from the chairman's office. Then, we proceeded to occupy the area continously (keeping at least one person in the "room" at any given time - with me and the other principal architect of the plan spending nights there). We had a petition to sign, set up posters in the area, had stickers, etc (our slogan was "What Would Feynman Do?"). That way we could demonstrate support for the student room, propagandize the room itself, and demonstrate a little of our resolve.

We were terrified the first night since we were afraid fo the administrative staff's reaction, and a bad one would be unpleasant first thing in the morning. We probably would've bolted if the staff were hostile. But they turned out to be really supportive since they're being shafted far worse than we're being shafted (one of the days, the advising staff sent us really good cookies). And that helped to flesh out our cause and give it more of a moral imperative.

We'd called the University paper the day we moved the furniture out, and they covered us the next day. Giving us a front page story, which is a little bit unjustified given the scope of the thing (this is a school of over 50,000 after all), but what the hell:
http://www.dailytexanonline.com/new...ge-921059.shtml

Then, the major Austin newspaper. the Austin-American Statesman gave us a story on the front page of the Metro section the next day (a crappy story IMO, but at least it's there):
http://www.statesman.com/search/con...04/13sitin.html

And the UT TV station supposedly covered us the next day, but we didn't get to watch the broadcast since we had no TV.

We did it through the past week for ~114 hours. During which we had morale ebbs. It's really hard to take that sort of solitude (especially under flourescent lighting), the undergrads didn't put in the energy that I'd've preferred (since physics students are generally more apolitical and nonconfrontational than the general student body), and the grad students were colder than I expected (partially because they were bought off through some money for their lounge, and weren't informed about the problems the staff had with the plan, or what we wanted).

But we had a lot of morale boosts too - the near unanymous support of the staff. The Chair's Secretary even wore one of our stickers The only reason they weren't even more supportive is that some were afraid of loosing their jobs. Some faculty gave us these boosts too. For instance, Cecile DeWitt, who was one of the pioneers of women in physics with a lot of influence in the department, told us that Feynman probably would've done something like that (she knew Feynman), regaled us with an interesting story of one of her own [far more important] rebellions (after Paris was liberated by us in 9/'44, she demanded the military to give up one of the hotels that they had requisitioned for their own use, to house concentration camp refugees, and the military eventually gave in), and helped to rewrite our petition more succintly to draw more faculty support. The guy who'll probably be the next chair also strongly supported us, in fact had been supplying info to us, and suggested the idea of a protest. And then when we talked to the grad students about plans that could please everyone, and they'd been helpful. Lots of students (both undergrad and grad) have been supportive, of course, giving us supplies to help us through the process.

The spending the night part of the movement is over - Operation Numb*ss as we christened it. All in all, a very interesting experience. But honestly, far, far, far more energy than I expected to put into it, and I probably wouldn't have done it again if I knew how hard it would be. But next time a sit-in happens, I'm there with the the morale support, because now I know how important that thing is.

We've got a meeting with the chair Wednesday, and are trying to talk with the Dean of Natural Sciences who, with the chair, make the final decision. We're looking into alternate decisions, and are trying to talk with the building committee.

So, that's about it.

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Sit-ins for student lounges. You do your Vietnam protestor ancestors proud, Ramo. :wipes tear: :wipes tear:

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undergrads are typically given the shaft. And while I would normally give my support through the Authoritative powers, the elitist and usually oligarchy of the intellectual elite should be taken down a notch.

Anyway, I know how you feel. When I was an undergrad, it felt like the regular university basically treated me like a money machine....sap me for every dime I'm worth. But I noticed a lot of the grad students still remembered how it was when THEY were undergrads and that was a big ass help.

Kudo's dude.

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Hang out at the local bar. Student lounges are only good for getting vandalized

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lounges are important. We don't have a graduate students' lounge in the department here. It's ridiculous. There's no undergrad lounge or faculty lounge either, despite the fact that we have the largest building on campus. The design of the building we're in is horrendous.

Undergrad lounge was very important to me. It's where I did most of my assignments and hung out between classes.

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student lounges are good for doing work in. libraries would generally frown at the amount of noise that we made, plus they're in a different building.

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Out of curiosity, what's this used for?

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That's where the students go to organize protests, Dino.

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So walking across campus to do an hour's work between classes seems like a good idea to you?

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Plus the student union building at my undergrad (nicknamed after our great alumnus William Shatner) was filled with management students and other subhuman species.

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Of course not.

Take the bus!

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Plus the student union building at my undergrad (nicknamed after our great alumnus William Shatner) was filled with management students and other subhuman species.


Oh, the horror!

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The management department at McGill didn't hold classes on Friday because the students needed to go out on Thursday nights...

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Unfortunately bars don't have chalkboards, and you can't get in if you're under 21 and live music's playing. Our lounge's great.

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Why not? I think the proposal is pretty damn important for the people in my department - staff and students, and our actions have already had quite an impact. But really, the protest is for the broader point of how the faculty is given an unjust amount of power in how universities are run, relative to staff and students (and the chair, relative to the rest of the faculty, etc., etc.). As the title of the thread suggests, this is more about democracy in our public universities, rather than the room itself.

And thanks DR & Franky.

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That's where the students go to organize protests, Dino.
Silly me. It's so obvious now.

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Out of curiosity, what's this used for?


Organizing cultural events and eating, mostly. It's not a union in any traditional sense.

There are spaces to study but no chalkboards, so it's pretty damn useless for studying any real academic subject.

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Organizing cultural events, mostly. It's not a union in any traditional sense.
Well ****. That's what I'd be protesting for.

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"As the title of the thread suggests, this is more about democracy in our public universities, rather than the room itself."

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Then why are you in the room?

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If I say, "this is more about x than y," that doesn't mean it is only about x. Christ Dino, did you just fall on your head?

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The management department at McGill didn't hold classes on Friday because the students needed to go out on Thursday nights...


WTG management students

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WTG management students
That's what student protestors should be fighting for.

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We had a nice student lounge in our department but there was no department teachers' lounge though the university did have a beach front hotel like teacher's lounge complete with swimming pool and large (free) hotel rooms for visiting staff. We also had a TGIF on the department roof top patio complete with beer and BBQ each Friday. BBQ was on the department but beer was on the students though usually we'd all pitch in and buy a keg.

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I guess it's true: different department means different personalities. ( with architecture and arts being the biggest bunch of stoners, and management organizing the best parties, and having the prettiest chicks. )

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We also had a TGIF on the department roof top patio complete with beer and BBQ each Friday. BBQ was on the department but beer was on the students though usually we'd all pitch in and buy a keg.




That sounds great. We have something similar, but only once a semester. Some of us are trying to make 'em more frequent.

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We also had a TGIF on the department roof top patio complete with beer and BBQ each Friday. BBQ was on the department but beer was on the students though usually we'd all pitch in and buy a keg.
I'm jealous. The closest we have here are dorm parties. The academic departments would never do that.

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We had a nice student lounge in our department but there was no department teachers' lounge though the university did have a beach front hotel like teacher's lounge complete with swimming pool and large (free) hotel rooms for visiting staff. We also had a TGIF on the department roof top patio complete with beer and BBQ each Friday. BBQ was on the department but beer was on the students though usually we'd all pitch in and buy a keg.


Ha! our people rent out entire clubs!

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Sit-ins for student lounges. You do your Vietnam protestor ancestors proud, Ramo. :wipes tear: :wipes tear:


Would you rather they set themselves on fire in protest?

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Would you rather they set themselves on fire in protest?

 
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