20-04-2005 10:23									#121
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quote: Originally posted by Bill3000 Sorry, it's not the responsibility of everyone else to be responsible for irresponsible parents.

yes it is. That is why we mandate kids go to school, among many other things.

	20-04-2005 10:25									#122
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither yes it is. That is why we mandate kids go to school, among many other things.

It is those same parents that blame schools for their childs' lack of disclipline and unruliness. Sorry, doesn't work here. Children that are raised by irresponsible parents will continue to be irresponsible throughout their entire lives, regardless of their attachment toward school, because parenting has a MUCH greater effect than teaching does on people.

	20-04-2005 10:26									#123
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Ah yes, the Showcase Channel....I remember me and my friends used to stay up late watching Chaz (the old foreign film host) who was SUCH a pervert....we saw a lot of wierd stuff there, once we saw this ****ed-up Romanian movie about post-Ceaucescu times where a.

A. boy does chores, mows lawns, etc for weeks for a pross until she lets him have a ride for 'barter'.

B. A husband drilled a screw into his wifes head and she went into shock, then went around the whole rest of the movie with the screw still sticking out of her head.

C. the Ceaucescu couple getting ripped apart like a zombie movie by the crowd.


Yep, showcase has some ****ed-up ****.

Is Chaz still the late night host? (I haven't had cable for a while)

	20-04-2005 10:28									#124
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither And how responsible is it of a network to broadcast irresponsible sex while the children of irresponsible parents are still up? That's the point. There are gonna be kids watching it at that time.

Well by that logic, lets keep it off the airwaves alltogether... since there will be kids watching it whenever.

The networks and cable aren't responsible for taking care of your kid. By 11 O'Clock they should be in bed... if not, then you are taking a chance with the TV. Stop being such a prude and ruining it for the rest of us .

Hell, if you are *****ing about irresponsible attitudes to sex, in the US, at 11:00 every night, the E! channel (on every basic cable package, just about) shows the Howard Stern show, which is basically just cameras into his radio studios while he does his though. However, just for you guys, they put the whole fuzzy thing over the naughty naked bits .

	20-04-2005 10:28									#125
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quote: Originally posted by Bill3000 It is those same parents that blame schools for their childs' lack of disclipline and unruliness. Sorry, doesn't work here. Children that are raised by irresponsible parents will continue to be irresponsible throughout their entire lives, regardless of their attachment toward school, because parenting has a MUCH greater effect than teaching does on people.

It all comes back to the parents, does it?

So when kids who don't have good parents have really bad things happen to them that they are led into by influences that nobody gives a **** about, it is just their tough luck, right?

How Dickensian.

	20-04-2005 10:33									#126
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It's not the job of the government to regulate whatever sick **** someone wants to watch.

No one ever became evil by watching the product of someones imagination.

No one has the right to dictate artistic content.

	20-04-2005 10:38									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Seeker It's not the job of the government to regulate whatever sick **** someone wants to watch. No one ever became evil by watching the product of someones imagination. No one has the right to dictate artistic content.

Thank you

Why anyone thinks a nanny state is a good idea is beyond me.

	20-04-2005 10:40									#128
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What I find extremely disturbing is that pro-censorship is prevalent on both sides of the spectrum in America, both Democrats and Republicans.

What I would do for a popular party that would actually OPPOSE censorship... feh.

	20-04-2005 10:42									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Seeker It's not the job of the government to regulate whatever sick **** someone wants to watch. No one ever became evil by watching the product of someones imagination. No one has the right to dictate artistic content.

Really? So the xxx porn can be slotted into Sesame Street's spot anytime then, yes?

	20-04-2005 10:46									#130
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quote: Really? So the xxx porn can be slotted into Sesame Street's spot anytime then, yes?

Sure. I'd like to see Oscar and Big Bird go for it in that trash can.

	20-04-2005 10:46									#131
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Really? So the xxx porn can be slotted into Sesame Street's spot anytime then, yes?

If Sesame Street were on a non-public channel, then the station should be able to put whatever the hell they want to in that slot.

	20-04-2005 10:47									#132
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Really? So the xxx porn can be slotted into Sesame Street's spot anytime then, yes?

Seseme Street is on public channels, IIRC.

Edit: ixnay beat me to it.

	20-04-2005 10:50									#133
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Sesame Street is stealth pr0n.

Everyone knows that Bert and Ernie are poofs.

	20-04-2005 10:50									#134
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In Canada all stations are licensed and regulated. And more homes have cable than rely purely on broacast by airwaves.

Or are you saying that it would be OK for anyone but the CBC?

	20-04-2005 10:51									#135
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Sesame Street is stealth pr0n. Everyone knows that Bert and Ernie are poofs.

Well, I do know that Bert is evil. I've seen pictures.

	20-04-2005 10:57									#136
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I'm amazed that people haven't generally realized about Bert and Ernie. CTW have denied it, but they've lived together and slept together and taken baths together for 30 years.

Good for them. They must be the only happy gay couple in Bush's America.

	20-04-2005 12:10									#137
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: But obviously this "Angels/Angles in America" sounds more like a documentary than an art film. I'm ok with documentaries, theres a difference than "art". It isn't a documentary. It was originally an award winning play that was turned into a critically acclaimed miniseries by HBO.

Ok, then that's BS.----> Sounded like a documentary, which would have been ok w/me. But since it's a play----->

	20-04-2005 14:26									#138
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Yes. The problem is the irresponsible attitude towards sex.

No, the problem is with you imagining that a film of a play is equivalent to a cookery programme or a d.i.y. show.


The news has scenes of real violence happening in the real world- how many months after the aeroplanes flew into the World Trade Centre did we see the footage AGAIN and AGAIN ?

How many shows are on television exploiting violence happening in the studio - Jerry Springer et al., or violence happening in real life- COPS and so forth ?


How about the dramas that use violence and its consequences- Law and Order, C.S.I., Wired, Homicide, not to mention all the films set in wars, or the Wild West and so on ?


What you're missing out on is that the scene you describe takes place in a given context in a given part of a trilogy of plays about an epidemic and its consequences, and the relationships of people through that time.


You may as well simply dismiss 'Titus Andronicus' because there's a rape followed by mutilation involving a tongue being pulled out and hands chopped off, and a woman being fed her murdered sons' remains in pie.

Or how about the child murder in 'Macbeth', the assassination of a king, or the blinding in 'King Lear', or the various poisonings, hangings, shootings, stabbings, bludgeonings, whippings, rapes, and tortures in the rest of Elizabethan and Jacobean drama ?

More to the point- if children are watching cable at 23.00 hrs routinely, then the parents are at fault. Unless the children are wards of court, or being raised at the expense of the state or province.


Whatever happened to personal responsibility ? I thought conservatives like you were big on that ?

	20-04-2005 16:49									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan Ok, then that's BS.----> Sounded like a documentary, which would have been ok w/me. But since it's a play----->

Art.

	20-04-2005 17:47									#140
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I'm with NYE on the general issue that a child's development is not solely the responsibility of the parents (I disagree with him on the issue of this show).

This is precisely why we have public schools, this is why we have social services that find adequate "parenting" to children who have dramatic family problems, this is why we have mandatory health programmes for children etc.

If you believe that the raising of a child is solely the responsibility of the parent, I'm afraid to say that you're an utter Floydian.

	20-04-2005 22:36									#141
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Molly, Molly, Molly...

Didn't you know? Violence is soooo much more acceptable than Sex.

Which is why a movies like Good Bye Lenin! and Amelie get R ratings, while Bond, the X-Men, Sahara, and the Ring all get PG-13.

	20-04-2005 22:48									#142
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Dude, keep you gaskets intact. My nephews were not here. However, there are many 12, 13, 14 year olds up at 11pm watching TV.

So? If they are up watching TV at 11pm, it's their problem. The government has to help people out as much as is reasonable, but it is not reasonable for everyone to cater to the needs of these peculiar, hypothetical 12-year-olds who stay up watching quality television instead of getting a good night's sleep before school.

Children who are old and mature enough to assume certain rights are old and mature enough to deal with philosophical questions raised by intellectually stimulating television programmes. And if they aren't, they can damn well mature quickly enough to deal with those questions.

Stop coddling teens.

	20-04-2005 22:50									#143
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Why anyone thinks a nanny state is a good idea is beyond me.

	20-04-2005 22:54									#144
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If you don't want your kids watching something it is YOUR responsibility to make sure they don't watch it. If you don't want the responsibility you shouldn't of had kids in the first place. They are YOUR kids, they are YOUR responsibility, not the government's responsibility.

	20-04-2005 22:55									#145
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I can't remember what can possibly constitue a R-rating in Good Bye Lenin. I remember Amelie has a scene that depicts couples making love, but I'm really at a loss for Good Bye Lenin

	20-04-2005 23:00									#146
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I can't remember what can possibly constitue a R-rating in Good Bye Lenin.

The C-word

spoiler(highlight to read): Communism

	20-04-2005 23:02									#147
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	20-04-2005 23:05									#148
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"For language and brief nudity", IIRC, which apparently entails "R". Except, I don't quite remember much nudity at all.

Whereas X-2 has Wolverine being absolutely badass, and massacring oodles of Federal agents. PG-13.

Lesson learned? SEX==BAD, VIOLENCE==GOOD.

	20-04-2005 23:09									#149
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed "For language and brief nudity", IIRC, which apparently entails "R". Except, I don't quite remember much nudity at all. Whereas X-2 has Wolverine being absolutely badass, and massacring oodles of Federal agents. PG-13. Lesson learned? SEX==BAD, VIOLENCE==GOOD.

That is why society in the US is so f*cked up, it should be (safe) Sex=Good, Violence=Bad.

	20-04-2005 23:11									#150
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quote: I'm with NYE on the general issue that a child's development is not solely the responsibility of the parents (I disagree with him on the issue of this show).

But it's also true that the protection of free expression is not solely the responsibility of individuals.

Hence, it seems to me that NYE has a case to make.

On the other hand, he's calmed down now from his über rage, so perhaps he's changed his mind.