21-04-2005 22:08									#1
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Please share all your ancient and pre-steam unit graphics in this thread. Thank you.

	21-04-2005 23:41									#2
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BeBro's ships.

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	25-04-2005 03:57									#3
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Here are almost all my units in shattered gif version

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	25-04-2005 04:01									#4
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and here they are in original bmp version, rar-ed.

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	08-05-2005 02:11									#5
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Some new and revamped Greeks. The little snippets about armour are there as hints for possible tech tree rersearch.

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	08-05-2005 10:49									#6
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You've done it again Gareth.

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	09-05-2005 04:46									#7
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I don't know where to start... The detailed musculature, the lifelike action poses! Simply amazing. How do you keep improving what looks perfect?

On the subject of ancient units...
Say, Gareth (you being Welsh and all) where do you keep those tatooed & blue-painted British Celts?
Better still, that scantily dressed Boudicca, charging on her British chariot?
I am sure you keep these somewhere

	09-05-2005 10:18									#8
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quote: Originally posted by tanelorn On the subject of ancient units... Say, Gareth (you being Welsh and all) where do you keep those tatooed & blue-painted British Celts? Better still, that scantily dressed Boudicca, charging on her British chariot? I am sure you keep these somewhere

But Boudicca was the original Essex girl.

(OK I know it's off topic - I'll fall on my sword as soon as I can wash off this woad.)

RJM at Sleeper's

	09-05-2005 13:17									#9
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Welsh? Gareth is an good Englishman! (or so I recall him saying)

And those Greeks are tremendous - I wonder if any Romans have had the same treatment?

	09-05-2005 19:11									#10
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling And those Greeks are tremendous - I wonder if any Romans have had the same treatment?

give him time,

	09-05-2005 22:11									#11
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quote: Originally posted by tanelorn On the subject of ancient units... Say, Gareth (you being Welsh and all) where do you keep those tatooed & blue-painted British Celts? Better still, that scantily dressed Boudicca, charging on her British chariot? I am sure you keep these somewhere

Actually you and Curt are both sort of right Tim - I'm Welsh by blood but brought up and living in England. I had a go at some woad-tatooed picts for Pericles' never-to-be-completed Roman scenario; they're lost now.

Scantily-clad Boudicca was sadly not the original Essex-girl - the Iceni were more Norfolk/Suffolk. It's an interesting thought though - I can picture her now: bleached-blonde bimbo, wearing mini-skirt and white stillettos riding a horse-drawn white convertible Ford XR3i into battle

@Curt - revamped Romans are next on the list.

Damn - I just broke my own stupid rule about not posting nonsense in the graphics threads. OK, I accept that it's a stupid rule....

	09-05-2005 23:51									#12
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Gareth, all I can say is that it astounds me how one man's contribution.... yours that is, has continuely pushed the progress of Civilization II forward with these ground breaking graphics. Thats why you see I'm always sure to credit you in each and every unit I work on .

Also Gareth, I seem to remember you once made a pretty impressive set of units featuring Ancient Hebrew warriors and Egyptians as well. I have a partial version of the unitset but I never feel comfortable posting work done exclusivley by other designers.

	10-05-2005 00:24									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Sarsstock Also Gareth, I seem to remember you once made a pretty impressive set of units featuring Ancient Hebrew warriors and Egyptians as well. I have a partial version of the unitset but I never feel comfortable posting work done exclusivley by other designers.

Thanks. That's a good rule to follow I think: if the creator isn't dead (!) or gone from the community, let them post their own units

Here's the Bronze Age units you're referring to:

	11-05-2005 00:11									#14
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Yes those are most definitely the units I had in mind my friend!! And perhaps the forum should adopt a rule in principal at least about posting other artists work.... just a thought in the interest of artistic integrity.

	11-05-2005 00:16									#15
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Hey! There's an Ox Chariot?!

New one for moi.

Now I have to dl it.

	11-05-2005 01:03									#16
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I thought I sent you the updates I did for the AoB file Phenix - I'll e-mail again

	13-05-2005 00:27									#17
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I for one love the idea for an ox driven chariot! Though I wasn't aware they had actually been put to use in such a way before. I have to ask, were these ever intended for a specific scenario Gareth? The complete bronze age unit set I mean? Surely you must have had some idea in your head for a scenario to inspire such a great compilation. It seems you've done the hardest part already in simply making the units, all it needs now is a scenario maker to put them to the appropriate use.

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	13-05-2005 00:33									#18
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Start a new thread Sarsstock, I'd like to comment without muddying up the thread.

	28-05-2005 00:13									#19
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The Graphics Showcases should probably be retopped. I think they work better that way. There is too much of an Out-of-Sight-Out-of-Mind effect in play.

	29-05-2005 19:53									#20
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Man, Gareth, you're really inspiring me to do a new ancient Oriental scenario! If that Hun thing I've been working on for a year now does not become my swan song...

	30-05-2005 17:17									#21
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Hey Stefan - welcome back

Excellent news about the Hun scenario - let me know if you need any gfx for it. Let's hope it's not your swan song as we're desperately in need of quality none-WW2 scenarios

Talking of which, I demand that someone makes me a Trojan Wars scenario.

I know Allard made one, but it's one of his earlier efforts and things have moved on.

Here's some Achaean warriors from the period. Forget the laughable quasi-Classical Greek armour seen in the execrable Brad Pitt flick; these guys were Mycenaeans and their contempories and I've based the units on Mycenaean frescos, finds and Peter Connolley's recreations thereof. I'll gladly make up some Troiadans and city gfx if anyone is prepared to take up the challenge.

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	30-05-2005 20:45									#22
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outstanding!

	30-05-2005 22:57									#23
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Excellent work, as always, Gareth

I might be tempted to do such a scenario - after Gettysburg. I have some ideas about such a scenario by now ...

	31-05-2005 00:47									#24
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please make that scenario happen!

	04-06-2005 01:51									#25
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quote: Originally posted by jim panse Excellent work, as always, Gareth I might be tempted to do such a scenario - after Gettysburg. I have some ideas about such a scenario by now ...

Good man Stephan.

Now I demand that someone makes me a Mesoamerican scenario

OK, I know there are a couple out there, but they're not very accurate when it comes to representing the Mexica (Aztec) military. In reality, the Mexica army was highly disciplined and rigidly heirarchical force with strict uniforms, shield designs and even hairstyles distinguishing rank and experience. I've based these gfx on the illustrations in the 16th century Codex Mendosa, which lays out the uniforms and shield patterns of the various ranks of the Mexica Army. There were six basic ranks of soldier excluding the mass of novice peasants, and progression from one rank to the next was achieved by capturing hapless enemies for sacrifice. Soldiers who had captured 4 enemies joined the military orders of the Jaguars or Eagles, which were otherwise the preserve of the nobility. Veterans who captured 5 enemy progressed to the Otontin military order and real heroes who had captured 6 could either become an officer or join the elite Cuachicqueh; these nutters took a vow to fight to the death and never retreat before the enemy, and led the army into battle.

There was a parallel ranking system for warrior priests with their own uniforms, also based on captives taken - I've included a 4-captive ranker as an example.

It strikes me this 'captive' system of rank could be simulated in civ by having only lower ranks buildable and awarding higher rankers via events by killing an enemy....

	04-06-2005 03:29									#26
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@fairline - I'm just starting a mythological age scenario in the Bronze and Classical Ages of Europe - the Middle East - North Africa, plus Atlantis, and many of these units could be very useful to me.

I'm not sure on the protocols; would I be allowed to use them?

UDB

	04-06-2005 17:02									#27
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Help yourself EDB

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	27-06-2005 15:18									#28
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Some myth units.

1)'careful with that axe' Eugene the minotaur
2) catapult Polyphemos cyclops
3) the great god Pan
4) centaur archer

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	04-08-2005 17:32									#29
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I was transferring stuff from my old knackered computer to my new one and I came across these Napoleonic Brits in 1812-1815 uniforms. They were originally drawn for Eivind's proposed Waterloo scenario. What happened to that Eivind?

I would appreciate it if they weren't used as the basis for any mods just yet; I want to complete other nationalities first.

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	04-08-2005 17:38									#30
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They're very good Fairline. Looking forward to the other nationalities.