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How far are we ahead of the Chinese in total value of manufactured goods?

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Ugh. Even German cars don't look that much like a concrete block.


The only German cars I'm really familiar with are BMW, Mercedes, Audi and Volkswagen. They all look a lot better than the average American car.

EDIT: Oh, and Porsche, of course.

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How far are we ahead of the Chinese in total value of manufactured goods?


China's economy on an exchange rate basis is something like $1.7 trillion. I don't have specific figures, but we can expect that about 40% - 50% of that is manufacturing. So manufacturing is about $700 - $800 billion per annum, over half of which is exported.

The US economy is about $12 trillion, 13% of which is manufacturing, or about $1,560 billion.

$1,560 billion / $800 billion = about 2x

Maybe somebody else would be able to vector you for numbers with closer tolerances.

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* Spiffor madly frothes at the mouth

I hate the guts of these new Renaults. They are monstrous, and they're the one reason I could possibly not buy a Renault the day I buy a car.


I liked the old Citroen XM though.

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Ford's bonds have been rated one notch above junk for a couple of years actually, and so are GM's (but not sure since when).

Too bad Sten isn't around anymore, I'm sure he'd have something interesting to tell about it.

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"Too bad Sten isn't around anymore"

Yeah, that's right...

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One tiny point, Eordin. It's Daewoo, not Deawoo.

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Actually, it's Chevrolet every where but Korea now.

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In Korea, Daewoo Motors is now GM Daewoo Motors, actually. And Samsung Motors is now Samsung Renault Motors.

On the other hand, Daewoo is still Daewoo for whatever other concerns still survive that implosion.

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Actually, it's Chevrolet every where but Korea now.


Sure? Isn't it more like Daewoo everywhere but the US?

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It's their UAW contract that killing them. It offers no flexibility. If you lay off a worker and still have to pay them 95% of their salary through the end of the current contract (2007) it's hard to stream line operations.
Average salary around 46,000 with benfits around 28,000. Makes it damn hard to compete.


BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Blaming labor.

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Daewoo exists in the US, but it never got off the ground--the parent company went bust before the second year the car was here, stateside.

Daewoo is big as a brand name throughout parts of Europe, Eastern Europe specifically (iirc), the Middle East, and other parts of the world, but after Daewoo Motor's purchase by GM, I'm not sure if it'll stay that way.

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Unions have their place, Ted. It's just too often, some unions refuse to take a hit for the team, and thus contribute to a company's downfall. *coughUnitedcough*

This doesn't mean management gets off scott-free, since often times, they're the ones who helped drive the company into such dire straits, but.

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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Blaming labor.


Why do you think the Japanese locate their US operations far away from Detroit, preferably in the south?

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Not labor, Ted.

Labor unions. And the idiot execs who sign their contracts.

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Unions have their place, Ted. It's just too often, some unions refuse to take a hit for the team, and thus contribute to a company's downfall. *coughUnitedcough*

This doesn't mean management gets off scott-free, since often times, they're the ones who helped drive the company into such dire straits, but.



Personally I have never liked unions because situations where they take advantage and cause undue pain. For example the dock workers in the LA Harbor that are making minimum of 80K a year, and their supervisors up to 150K. Yet they decided to shut down the entire west coast shipping lines and screw the whole economy.

Then there is also the tradition of racketeering and organized crime getting involved, though this is not so much of a problem nowadays. Unions also have a nice problem of intimidating everyone who wants to work.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I think the "knee jerk" reaction built into contemporary business thinking has gone too far to the point of being perverted.

Labor is unfairly blamed for alot of company woes. Litreally, they are just doing their jobs. Managers are the ones who make the decisions. Other ideas such as process and quality control are overlooked.

Anybody who has seen a GM car for the past 20 years knows exactly how bad they suck. The Saturn brand was supposed to solve alot of these problems, with their emphasis on flexibility, yet they have never gotten there.

You have people like Carly from HP, who got a 48 million dollar package after getting FIRED. How many workers at Compaq or HP were given generous packages when they were fired? There was also a recent case of a guy who gave his wife 2 billion in stock right before he got forced out.

The best companies are obviously those that take care of their workers without having unions around.

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You are contra Bush. You are pro labour unions.

Go live in France Ted.

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Contra Bush

Oui, oui

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Interesting stat some lady just gave on Tavis Smiley:

60% of the GM and Ford workforce is obese

10% of them have diabetes

She said this would be a push to bring more health awareness into schools because medical costs were affecting big businesses.

Which seems to be the only damn thing people respond to anymore, is big business needs.

I think she was being optimistic though.

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I hate the shape of those new Meganes, horrible.

I used to have a Peugeot 106...most unreliable piece of sh*t I've ever had. I now have a Nissan Almera...not a spot of trouble so far...

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4484777.stm

Toyota is fearful that trouble at the US automakers will result in a trade backlash against Japanese automakers like it did in the 1980's. Toyota is suggesting that the Japanese voluntarily hold their market share down in order to prevent political action.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4484101.stm

GM also announced that 2 million full sized trucks from the Chevrolet, GMC, and Hummer brands were being recalled because of a handful of cases where the seatbelts did not work properly.

GM is losing market share as truck sales weaken in the face of rising gas prices. I hate to admite it but the problem is GM's management. They were told over an over that oil prices would not remain low forever and that they should try to improve their car lineup but instead they barely kept their car business on life support and plowed all of their money into large trucks and SUVs. Now sales are shifting towards cars and GM doesn't have a decent design to sell. That's just bad management and everyone knew this would happen sooner or later.

Don't even get me started about how the management gave rediculous agreements to the unions. They have to pay their workers even if their workers don't work. Find another blue colar job that does that.

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Good article, Oerdin. One hopes that the American auto industry would take the breather (if, in fact, it is offered) to help operations, as opposed to 1982-85, when all they did was raise prices.

Business Week (or Fortune) has an article about how GM is betting the bank on hydrogen cars, spending over $10 billion on R&D by 2007 on the issue.

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They'd better hurry up, Honda and Toyota are killing them with their Hybrids. Honda has both of their flagship cars (Civic and Accord) sold as hybrids, the Accord even has a good selling point with a 224 Horsepower engine, (recalling that number from memory).

There must be more Honda Civics in Southern California than there are in Japan, and I am seeing those Toyota Prius's EVERYWHERE now.

By the way, I thought that the Japanese built so many plants in America specifically to bypass import tarrifs.

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"You bought a RAV4?

...

My condolensces."

I kinda like it, for around town which is 99.99% of our driving.

Besides, it's cute.


I bet that 4 wheel drive comes in real handy around town. Well worth the extra weight.

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The GM case is a good example of american manufacturing deficiencies. And this is not due to underestimated foreign currencies, nor to abnormal subsidies made by foreign economies, but only to american failures. The PIB will soon be made only by retail trade, banking, insurance, lawyers, and the military industry (manufacturing and services). Hard to imagine how the trade deficit could decrease.


Well these days the problems aren't manufacturing deficiencies per se, but design deficiencies hand in hand with a labor cost structure that makes it almost impossible to compete internationally.

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Rav4 is a great car!


Good one!

 
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