23-04-2005 22:17									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Japher I can help... No genetic mumbo jumbo whatsoever... All you have to do is fill out this questioneer: 1. Can you drink an entire 750ml of Whiskey in one sitting?

I'm both Native American and Irish. What do i do???

	24-04-2005 00:52									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski I wasn't bad mouthing Mormons. I am one....technically. ACK!

haha, I got you to admit it.

	24-04-2005 00:53									#33
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quote: Originally posted by alva You're only allowed to work in an Indian casino if you proof Indian blood? Isn't that a bit racist??

they also don't pay taxes. We can't have americans not paying taxes.

	24-04-2005 02:52									#34
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Diss, are you not a fellow red brother? We are a free nation within the white devils country. We pay no taxes because in fact this is OUR land, our country!

(I'm planning on showing this thread to the Indian Gaming people as proof)

	24-04-2005 04:09									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber I'm both Native American and Irish. What do i do???

I fear for your liver.

	24-04-2005 09:02									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer My mother once told me I'm 1/16th indian. If I can prove it they'll definately give me a job at the local indian casino. Since my wife and father in law both work there they are hesitant to hire me. These jobs are good wampum and have excellent benefits. So, is there a genetic test I can take to prove my heretige? If so, how would one go about it?

Ask them. The casino doesn't have to follow the same rules in establishing native american identity as the federal government. It is possible to 'officially' qualify as a native american while not being regarded as such by native american relatives and organizations. It's also possible that you would need to establish a connection to one of a small number of nations to qualify and it would not be at all sufficent to simply have a few native american great great greats high in the branches of your family tree.

Anyway, are you really comfortable getting hired on such criteria? Can you honestly tell yourself you've lived a life consistent with the values of your native american ancestors or are you walking a completely different path from them?

	24-04-2005 09:33									#37
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"Anyway, are you really comfortable getting hired on such criteria? Can you honestly tell yourself you've lived a life consistent with the values of your native american ancestors or are you walking a completely different path from them?"

We are talking about a casino here Geronimo. Old folks lined up by the dozens feeding their social security into the machines. No high and noble purpose. For me, just a job. Health insurance...

	24-04-2005 09:39									#38
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Contrary to Vince278's assertion, while a huge number of American's claim they are decended from American Indians, there isn't a whole lot of evidence that's the case. Inventing false lineages is an old tradition in every society, to give legitimacy to your family. As one Indian told me, apparently, there were more Indian princesses than Indians.

There's some truth to what you say about false lineages. Everyone wants to be descended from royalty but considering how liberal the nobility was at spreading it around it is entirely possible. My (supposedly) true lineage goes back to the Irish High King Niall who brought St. Patrick to Ireland. However, in the old Irish records King Niall's lineage was traced all the way to Adam (which borders on ridiculous).

Back to the Indians though, my wife has reminded me that my two step-kids are 1/8 Cherokee. I guess I know where they can go to get a job.

	24-04-2005 09:51									#39
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quote: My (supposedly) true lineage goes back to the Irish High King Niall who brought St. Patrick to Ireland

Vince, my family is Irish and holds a traditional grudge against the chruch. Therefore I challange you to a duel!!

Oh and for the record, my mom says Im part Injun and my dad says we're direct descendants of German royalty. I dont believe either, my mom has foggy evidence of such, and my dad only has word of mouth passed down from I dont know who.

One day when I have some spare monies I will see what my DNA says.

	24-04-2005 11:20									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer "Anyway, are you really comfortable getting hired on such criteria? Can you honestly tell yourself you've lived a life consistent with the values of your native american ancestors or are you walking a completely different path from them?" We are talking about a casino here Geronimo. Old folks lined up by the dozens feeding their social security into the machines. No high and noble purpose. For me, just a job. Health insurance...

Perfectly true. I'm just pointing out that it isn't exactly honest to present yourself as a native american if you don't see yourself that way.

	24-04-2005 11:24									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Space05us Vince, my family is Irish and holds a traditional grudge against the chruch. Therefore I challange you to a duel!!

You must be part Northern Irish.

	24-04-2005 11:27									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident they also don't pay taxes.

yeah, them and the rich...

	29-04-2005 01:21									#43
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"Perfectly true. I'm just pointing out that it isn't exactly honest to present yourself as a native american if you don't see yourself that way."

Yeah well if there's a steady paycheck in it.

Anyway, I'm hoping for a phone call from the casino today, for an interview. If they hire me even though there's already two family members working there I won't have to whip out my injun part.

I hope they call.

	29-04-2005 01:24									#44
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I'ld ask Ward Churchill how he was able to fake it.

	29-04-2005 01:33									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 There's some truth to what you say about false lineages. Everyone wants to be descended from royalty but considering how liberal the nobility was at spreading it around it is entirely possible. My (supposedly) true lineage goes back to the Irish High King Niall who brought St. Patrick to Ireland. However, in the old Irish records King Niall's lineage was traced all the way to Adam (which borders on ridiculous). Back to the Indians though, my wife has reminded me that my two step-kids are 1/8 Cherokee. I guess I know where they can go to get a job.

If you go back far enough you have enough people who are your ancestors that being decended from royalty is a real posibility. If your ancestors are from western Europe and you go back 1000 years your ancestors would include most western Europeans living at that time, including nobles because they often had non-noble mistresses. This is because the numbers of ancestors you have increases exponentially each generation you go back. Most western Europeans likely also have a few non-european ancestors as a result of diplomats and traders hitting on the locals.

	29-04-2005 12:06									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Odin If you go back far enough you have enough people who are your ancestors that being decended from royalty is a real posibility. If your ancestors are from western Europe and you go back 1000 years your ancestors would include most western Europeans living at that time, including nobles because they often had non-noble mistresses. This is because the numbers of ancestors you have increases exponentially each generation you go back. Most western Europeans likely also have a few non-european ancestors as a result of diplomats and traders hitting on the locals.

Thats pretty much what I was trying to say. One thing that bugs me about the number of ancestors is it don't add up. If you consider each generation 25 years then going back 1000 years would mean 40 generations. Then the number of ancestors you have 1000 years ago would be 2^40 (2 to the 40th power) or more than 1 trillion. This is WAY more than the population of the entire world at the time. And the further back you go the worse it gets. (Try carrying this back to 4000BC!)

	29-04-2005 16:24									#47
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If you really are 1/16 Native American, then just open your own casino in your driveway.

	30-04-2005 01:04									#48
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I'm more of a warrior than a chief.

	30-04-2005 01:09									#49
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and his driveway would have to be on Indian land.

	30-04-2005 01:16									#50
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It's ALL indian land!

Hey, where's Stefu? I want a smiley with eagle feathers to represent my people among the races of the smileys!

<- This guy with feathers would be nice.

<---Philipinos

	30-04-2005 02:48									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 You must be part Northern Irish.

Damn orange bastards...

	30-04-2005 02:50									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber I'm both Native American and Irish. What do i do???

Try sobriety?

	30-04-2005 04:35									#53
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looks like...I GOT THE JOB!!!!

I just have to pass the security guys muster and I'M IN!!!!

I'll start as a driver and within 90 days will move inside to a casino host, which means they really like me! I'll be talking over the casino wide announcer thingy.

Fame at last.

	30-04-2005 04:36									#54
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They like you! They really like you!
[/Sally Kellerman]

Congrats, dude.

	30-04-2005 04:39									#55
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Thanks pal

Who is Sally K. btw?

	30-04-2005 04:44									#56
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Google is your friend.

But FYI, she was an actress who won an award (oscar?) and said that (paraphrased) during her acceptance speech.

	30-04-2005 04:53									#57
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You've got mail...

	30-04-2005 06:31									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer . . . I'll be talking over the casino wide announcer thingy.

"Colonel Custer. Colonel George Armstrong Custer, your hearst is waiting."

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Sally Kellerman was the female lead in the movie M*A*S*H. But Theben was thinking of Sally Fields' infamous Academy Awards speech.

	11-05-2005 00:57									#59
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Well, I gotta go piss in a cup in an hour. If I pass this test I'm in. It's the last hoop I need to jump through.

Anyone want to give me any pointers on how to ace this thing? Your help is much appreciated...

	11-05-2005 00:59									#60
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don't do drugs, eat poppy seeds, or take any antihistamines w/in 7 days of the test...

and

aim well