23-04-2005 18:09									#1
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This scenario is nearing alpha.
I realize that many of the veteran scenario makers here are to busy to help, with the crash and revamp.
I must say I learned a great deal from creating King David so this scenario will top that one (if I do say so myself ).

The scenario begins at the founding of Syracuse by the Corinthians and ends with Alexander and the rise of Rome.
An empire building and war scenario that should grab the interest of die hard ancient players.

1 year turns, each unit will equal 10,000 brave landowners who join up.

The tribes are
Dorians - Corinth
Ionians - Athens
Aeolians - Thebes
Lacedemons - Sparta
Pheonicians - Carthage
Etruscians - various North Italy city states
Kingdoms AI only - Samnites, Venetians, Hill tribes, Illyria, Epirotes, Argos, Messenia, various Greek cities, and Macedonia - with a few big surprises, if you don`t look at the events.

I originally was going to do two scenarios and ended up combining both.

I wish I could give more info but its a little to early, more will come soon.

Thanks for everyones hard work putting the Scenario League back on track.

A screenshot of the map

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	23-04-2005 18:15									#2
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Proposed units - alpha

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	23-04-2005 20:27									#3
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	24-04-2005 20:12									#4
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Thanks Erika,


Can someone format this gif. for the title screen?
All I have is the Windows paint and no conversion program.

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	24-04-2005 21:32									#5
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Nice to see your second scenario, Beingofone. Great subject - I'm looking forward to playing it

	24-04-2005 23:12									#6
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All you have to do is paste your image into an existing title gif. and it's palette is automatically adjusted.

	25-04-2005 00:49									#7
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Actually I wouldn't recommend that - PSP (or Photoshop/Paint) tends to stuff up the pallette conversion a bit, leading to a muddy selection of colours; useable but compromised. It chooses a far better selection of colours if you load the MGE palette into the image. I've loaded into your image - now if you like you can cut'n'paste into an existing title.gif.

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	25-04-2005 01:38									#8
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Damnit! I was gonna say the same thing.

But I'll post my version of the title image anyway, since I took the liberty to enhance it a little...

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	25-04-2005 03:38									#9
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quote: I must say I learned a great deal from creating King David

I must have missed this one on release. Where can it be found?

	25-04-2005 04:56									#10
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Lost...in cyberspace!

	25-04-2005 05:32									#11
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Our Man go here to get King David

King David

You will need this mini update to play as anyone other than Israel.

Thanks Fairline and Mercator

I am gonna have to go with Mercators version but hey, I am using 90% Fairline units.

Techumseh - I kept trying to copy and paste inside the gif. it just would not let me for some reason.

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	25-04-2005 05:41									#12
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I am going all out on the sounds for this one.

Here is a teaser wave for a hoplite attack.

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	25-04-2005 06:13									#13
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17 seconds? while an excellent mix, i'll probably end up turning off sounds after two or three attacks simply because they last so long

	25-04-2005 08:42									#14
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quote: 17 seconds? while an excellent mix, i'll probably end up turning off sounds after two or three attacks simply because they last so long

Yeah, I could understand the concern if there were going to be alott of multiple attacks in a turn. With 10,000 strength units, these will be very expensive and difficult to maintain. Your attacks must be set up and well timed as the loss of a single unit could have repercussions for entire regions.
The AI knows this to and plays accordingly.
The most attacks you will hear in a single turn should be 4 and these will be spaced by many turns.

	25-04-2005 09:44									#15
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another question is will the battle last 17 seconds? because if it doesn't, it might be a bit foolish to have the battle over in 5 seconds and have another 12 seconds of audio

	25-04-2005 21:03									#16
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I couldn't help myself. Here's another version of the title screen...

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	25-04-2005 21:50									#17
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower another question is will the battle last 17 seconds? because if it doesn't, it might be a bit foolish to have the battle over in 5 seconds and have another 12 seconds of audio

The sound would only play once if the AI multiple attacks and it floods over, it will be OK. Besides, you don`t like sounds even at websites .

Mercator - thanks for not being able to help yourself.

Fairline - I think what a big part of my wanting to do this scenario was your units. After taking a look at Hellas by John Ellis with the redone graphics that Leonidas did.
I just wanted to let you know dude

	26-04-2005 01:21									#18
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quote: Originally posted by beingofone Fairline - I think what a big part of my wanting to do this scenario was your units. After taking a look at Hellas by John Ellis with the redone graphics that Leonidas did. I just wanted to let you know dude

That's cool; I think it was me that made the revamped units for Hellas BTW, unless Leonidas did a version as well

PM me your unit list if you like - I am redoing my ancient units and may be able to offer some better versions than you have here.

	26-04-2005 01:39									#19
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quote: Originally posted by fairline That's cool; I think it was me that made the revamped units for Hellas BTW, unless Leonidas did a version as well

Amazingly, we both posted re-done units for Ellis's Hellas at the same time...

Ripley's:

Believe it or not...

	26-04-2005 03:31									#20
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I just tried King David - your first scenaro - I'm very impressed! But... I finished playing the 1st turn, hit the return key to give the computer its go... and then had to wade through close on 30 messages from the various civs asking me to meet with their emissaries. I have never seen anything like it before.

Hoping it was a first turn bug, I played the 2nd return, hit the return key only for the same thing to happen again. I just don't have the patience to keep hitting return in order to advance to the next turn, so it would be great to know if anyone else suffered from this during play?

	26-04-2005 07:38									#21
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quote: had to wade through close on 30 messages from the various civs asking me to meet with their emissaries. I have never seen anything like it before.

That was a learning curve I experienced, I know at first it makes you kind of dizzy answering all the AI requests, it does go away on about turn 3.
I did not know if you backdate the turns and give the nuke world wonder to a civ, it freaks the AI completely out.

I still am in a learning curve with designing, in fact ....

Does anyone know how to reintroduce the shroud?
The Spartans can see the Gauls DO`H

	26-04-2005 14:23									#22
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Man I hope someone has an idea for the shroud.
If not that will push my work back by about 20-25 hours.

	26-04-2005 15:29									#23
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Can't you use the events command:

@IF
NEGOTIATION
talker=ANYBODY
talkertype=HumanOrComputer
listener=ANYBODY
listenertype=HumanOrComputer
@THEN
@ENDIF

	26-04-2005 16:35									#24
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Curt maybe I am missing something here.
It is not negotiations that is the problem, its exploration.
The black fog of mystery.

	26-04-2005 17:10									#25
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If you mean the black covering the map from each civ's perspective, then I think you can use the cheat function to select cover all map...

	26-04-2005 17:34									#26
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This seems very interesting. We need more screenshots!

	27-04-2005 09:51									#27
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quote: PM me your unit list if you like - I am redoing my ancient units and may be able to offer some better versions than you have here.

It will be a bit longer, I am finalizing and fleshing out the tech tree.

quote: If you mean the black covering the map from each civ's perspective, then I think you can use the cheat function to select cover all map...

In that case, can everyone pretend that I didn`t say anything

It has been awhile since I used the creator interface.
It still leaves open the original placement of the settler for the Barbarian cities.

	30-04-2005 14:38									#28
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Quick update

I wrote out a tech tree that looks really good on paper.
I loaded it in three times and all three times it crashes the game. Yes I linked to future tech.

I came close to throwing my hardrive into the wall for the sheer joy of it. For those of you who have created tech trees from scratch, I am sure you can relate.
After further review, I realized, I am the virus infecting the tech tree.
I am hoping at this point to have beta out in a couple of weeks.

Hope your day was good.

	30-04-2005 15:11									#29
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Did you get it fixed?

Look for missing comas and mis-spelt tech abbreviations.

Easy mistakes to make, during late nite edits!

	04-05-2005 13:02									#30
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling Did you get it fixed? Look for missing comas and mis-spelt tech abbreviations. Easy mistakes to make, during late nite edits!

Thanks for the concern Curt.
I did some ohms, took a break and went back at it.
Funny, the words in the text are not blurry anymore.

H-Tower, you were right.
17 seconds is way to long for a battle.

I can`t give a screenie just yet but here is another cool hoplite. This one is Athenian.