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Which is better... (Time out:0 days after 25-04-2005, 06:06)
The original SMAC
The new SMAX
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Commy is offline Commy
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What is better--SMAC or SMAX Get a bigger avatar today!

I feel I had to ask...

Which do you all think is better, the good ol' original SMAC or the upgraded, new and improved SMAX?

Basically, which would you rather play?

If you don't own SMAX or have never played it, please don't vote...

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We gotta pick only one? Where's the 3rd option?

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What would this third option be?

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'Doesn't Matter'?'

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Originally posted by Commy
What would this third option be?


It's a long-standing Apolyton tradition to offer an alternate option in all polls. Usually, this option is simply called the "banana" option. In this forum it's usually called "xenobanana". It's equivalent to "none of the above" or "doesn't matter" as FC said.

Doesn't always make sense, just a tradition.

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Shhhhh!

I was gonna say banana, but I decided to be serious.

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Smax... but it ain't new

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I have both, and don't play Crossfire at all. I did at first, and for quite a while. I find the "new factions" to be contrived at best. They don't add anything new to the game, often repeating the same things the original faction leaders say.

As far as the game itself, it shouldn't have ever been a new game. At best it should have been a FREE upgrade, or patch, not an expansion pack. Just a way of getting a few more bucks out of the fans.

I find the original game much more pure, untainted by the success the game was to achieve. The factions are believable, well except for Miriam being so aggressive. This is not a Christian trait.

They do however have real personality. I can't say this for SMACX. Sometimes it's hard to not think of them as actual people, in there actions. The way they carry them out of course leaves a lot to be desired though, from a tactical stand point.

I did play the original factions in SMACX for a bit, but the game itself is just not as good. A SP or two are just too powerful, and everything else is just fluff.

Well, at least we have a choice as to which one we like. To each their own.

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I think the original SMAC factions are Waaaaaaaay better (especially balance wise) then teh SMAX factions, but SMAX just adds so much more options to the game.

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I think the original SMAC factions are Waaaaaaaay better (especially balance wise) then teh SMAX factions, but SMAX just adds so much more options to the game.


Including the ability to much more easily customize your faction choices. I play SMAX exclusively, usually with the original 7 factions. IMO the best of both worlds.

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SMAX with the original 7 factions

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SMAX with the original 7 factions


Exactly.

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SMAX with the original 7 factions


Excellent


I have played a bit of SMAC lately and I really miss a few things like more varied natives and the thermoclines to make sea tiles more crawlable


While I agree that the initial 7 factions are somehow a better overall fit, there are things I like about Smax.

For instance..... the pirates annoy the heck out of me and I like that. The drones have become my favorite faction and I like that the data angels are strong yet seem to be consistently underated by people

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SMAX original 7.

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Cannot vote, never played SMAX. But I have a feeling, as fender said, that the original factions are better...

But even if I had played SMAX I wouldn't vote because the absence of the 'xenobanana' option is truly a shame and should never be encouraged.

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Comrade Tassadar

I don't see what you find so funny. There is a big difference between a fundamentalist Christian, and someone that calls themselves one.


Miriam is more like the Muslim faith, not a Christian fundamentalist.

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Ever heard of the Crusades?

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Comrade Tassadar

I don't see what you find so funny. There is a big difference between a fundamentalist Christian, and someone that calls themselves one.


Miriam is more like the Moslam faith, not a Christian fundamentalist.


How ironic. What do you know about Islam, anyway?

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How ironic. What do you know about Islam, anyway?



One of the dumbest things I've every seen on this forum. After 911, the War in Iraq and all the news coverage, how could I not know. How could you not know. Maybe you live in a cave! Unbelievable. I really and truly hope that you're just being a smart ass. I'd hate to think you really didn't know anything about the Muslim faith and mindset.


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Ever heard of the Crusades?


Next to dumbest thing I've heard. People that do things in the name of God are not necessarily Christian Fundamentalists. They can call themselves whatever they want, but that don't make it so.

I'm not the first one to post this about Miriam in the first place.

See this topic, and Dissident's reply.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=132294

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How ironic. What do you know about Islam, anyway?

One of the dumbest things I've every seen on this forum. After 911, the War in Iraq and all the news coverage, how could I not know. How could you not know. Maybe you live in a cave! Unbelievable. I really and truly hope that you're just being a smart ass. I'd hate to think you really didn't know anything about the Muslim faith and mindset.


What a delightful way to draw disrespect from others. You didn't answer the question, though. What do you know about Islam?

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if 911 and the war in Iraq adequately describe Islam, then a profile of the Ku Klux Clan and Arian Nation in the US would be an excellent way of describing christianity,

See how your theory doesnt stick?

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at a delightful way to draw disrespect from others. You didn't answer the question, though. What do you know about Islam?


Cute, but I will not insult you, nor will I do your homework. If you don't know about the Muslim faith I suggest you check into it yourself.
You're the one who has disrespected me. I'm am a Christian Fundamentalist.

And don't try to play games with me. You know very well that I'm not talking about all Muslims, but the Muslim extremists.

Before you mention it. There are no Fundamentalist extremists when it comes to war. As I said, they can call themselves that, but that doesn't make it so.


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if 911 and the war in Iraq adequately describe Islam, then a profile of the Ku Klux Clan and Arian Nation in the US would be an excellent way of describing Christianity,


I didn't say that. Read it again. The coverage of those events gave incite into the Muslim faith. Not the events themselves. They do not describe Islam in any way. Please don't tell me that you didn't see or read anything about the extremist Muslim factions after and during those events.

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I'm not sure where this vague exchange of innuendos is heading, but I'm minded not to follow its path.

There are no religious organisations and no citizen loyalties to such in SMAC or SMAX, so it's not very relevant.

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Cute, but I will not insult you,

Too late
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nor will I do your homework. If you don't know about the Muslim faith I suggest you check into it yourself.


I have, several times. I don't just read what the media feed me, either. It is informative to hear others' viewpoints, and I can't look up yours on the web, at least not without more information about you.

quote:

You're the one who has disrespected me. I'm am a Christian Fundamentalist.


I didn't think I had disrespected you, but now I feel sorry for you, assuming your claim is accurate.

quote:

And don't try to play games with me. You know very well that I'm not talking about all Muslims, but the Muslim extremists.

Before you mention it. There are no Fundamentalist extremists when it comes to war. As I said, they can call themselves that, but that doesn't make it so.


The term used to describe who you are referring to is fundamentalist, whether or not you like it. You don't get to change the dictionary, even if the term seems inaccurate.


quote:

I didn't say that. Read it again. The coverage of those events gave incite into the Muslim faith. Not the events themselves. They do not describe Islam in any way. Please don't tell me that you didn't see or read anything about the extremist Muslim factions after and during those events.


Many Muslims disown the fundamentalists, but you lump Miriam in with the whole set. You don't even claim she'd be an extremist, rather you cast her as typical of the billion or so who consider themselves Muslim.

And I suppose we've hijacked this thread...

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long time ago. Not relevant in a game that is supposed to represent the future.

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Alien Crossfire definitely. What's the fun in keep playing with CEO Morgan, etc.?

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SMACx with the orginal seven...

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SMAX with the original 7 factions




Although some of the new are pretty interesting (namely Angels).

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The factions are believable, well except for Miriam being so aggressive. This is not a Christian trait.



I've always been thinking that Miriam is the most believable of the faction leaders.
And actually she seems not to have inquisition in her faction - it should give her free punishment sphere at each base or at least a police bonus..
So she's a "not very extreme fundamentalist" comparing to Torquemada..

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SMAX with the original 7 factions


Same for me here!

I love to play the original Factions (balace and story wise) but in the SMAX environment!

 
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