08-05-2005 02:27									#91
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quite a few votes for the gaians. What's so great about them?

	08-05-2005 02:59									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident quite a few votes for the gaians. What's so great about them?

Maybe because they are the default choice when you start the program for the first time ? The same goes for CyCon in SMAX.

Edit : that was a lousy answer. I guess that since they are default, most people learn to play them well, and hesitates to change to others. When they do, they more or less has to start all over with the new factions peculiarites.

Both Gaians and CyCons are pretty easy factions as long as you don't start to fiddle with SE (wich isn't your first choice trying to learn this goddamn program ) Well, when you start to fiddle with SE, both Gaians and CyCon are extremely strong factions witch discourages playing others where you get your azs kicked a lot before you know how to play them.

Maybe SMAX II should have the lousiest faction as default so people will enjoy changing to others ?

	08-05-2005 05:10									#93
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I should have voted for the University, not the Angels...science is, after all, the only true way to enlightment...assuming you haven't been brainwashed by Miriam or Yang first...

	08-05-2005 05:35									#94
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Now easy - after all you has at last seen the light. Just a single disagreement - UoP isn't the best choice - gaian or CyCon is better.

Just repeat after me - Gaian and CyCon is the winner ...

	08-05-2005 12:37									#95
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democracy is best. all hail the peacekeepers.

and yes I like being assured governor (actually sometimes I still need to build Empath). I like being governor.

	09-05-2005 03:06									#96
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I think I'll start by mentioning that a majority of my games have me leading the University of Planet, against the other six original factions. I've personally found research to be of importance ever since I've first played the game years ago, although that could just be my finding advances technology to be really cool.

I guess my next favorite factions, in some order, would be the Morganites, CyCon, Gaians, Usurpers, and Peacekeepers, for various reasons. (that were enough for me to include them, along with the University, in my voting for favorite factions in this thread.)

	09-05-2005 12:17									#97
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I played the Gaians many times before trying another faction (the University) because they were the default faction and I was just learning the game. They are still a really strong faction (iirc the record transcend time was set with the Gaians), though I rarely play them anymore.

	09-05-2005 12:47									#98
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I broke my virginity with the peacekeepers.

	10-05-2005 02:14									#99
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Now easy - after all you has at last seen the light. Just a single disagreement - UoP isn't the best choice - gaian or CyCon is better. Just repeat after me - Gaian and CyCon is the winner ...

You are absolutely right...the Cyborgs are the only true way to enlightenment...now I wish I hadn't uninstalled SMAX...what was I thinking...it must be the spores getting to my head...perhaps withdrawl symptoms...

	11-05-2005 10:35									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident okay, who voted for the believers?

Maybe someone was just being a smarta**?

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	11-05-2005 11:33									#101
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Actually, I've been quite impressed with the Gaian ICS. You can break the 3rd or 4th B-limit and still keep the B-drones in managable numbers through Gaian efficiency. Additionally, if you pour all your efforts into getting the PTS then you have several advantages over other factions. Due to a likelihood of an early game planned/wealth you will almost certainly have more bases than other players but the +2 fungnutrients allows you to keep your PTS 3 pop from starving. I've had populations of 80 by 2150 vs the CPU and have just stopped right there as I know exactly what the rest of the game holds.

	11-05-2005 12:27									#102
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The bureaucracy drones won't be less with the Gaians after the 3rd or 4th limit, but those limits will be higher for factions which are running with higher efficiencies. Bottom line: More bases for the same number of drones, which rocks.

	11-05-2005 13:03									#103
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If you run Planned without Democracy, your bureaucracy limit will be no higher than any other faction's.

	11-05-2005 13:53									#104
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quote: okay, who voted for the believers?

Such an expression is worth a good laugh all by itself!

	11-05-2005 14:35									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Chaos Theory If you run Planned without Democracy, your bureaucracy limit will be no higher than any other faction's.

What you want to say is:
"Negative efficiency is treated as 0 efficiency for the Expansion drones"
What you said is:
'If you have -2 EFFIC, your Expansion limit will be at most as small as everyone else's."

	11-05-2005 15:00									#106
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quote: What you want to say is: "Negative efficiency is treated as 0 efficiency for the Expansion drones" What you said is: 'If you have -2 EFFIC, your Expansion limit will be at most as small as everyone else's."

No, what he wanted to say was:

Gaia: +2 Effic
Planned: -2 Effic

2 + (-2) = 0

quote: "Negative efficiency is treated as 0 efficiency for the Expansion drones"

Is wrong.

	11-05-2005 19:53									#107
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It is true that negative efficiency is treated as 0 for the bureaucracy limit. Thus, if your efficiency is 0 or less, no one can have a lower effective efficiency in the bureaucracy limit calculation, and thus no one can have a lower bureaucracy limit (assuming all are playing at the same difficulty level). If no one's bureaucracy limit is lower than yours, your bureaucracy limit is not higher than anyone else's.

Edit: I love being told what I want to say

Last edited by Chaos Theory on 11-05-2005 at 20:59

	11-05-2005 20:39									#108
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quote: Originally posted by binTravkin quote: "Negative efficiency is treated as 0 efficiency for the Expansion drones" Is wrong.

are you sure or is it just your guessing?

	11-05-2005 21:04									#109
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quote: are you sure or is it just your guessing?

Quite sure.
I've been playing PKs and having the message after I try to establish 7th base.

	11-05-2005 21:52									#110
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The bureaucracy limit on normal or large-sized maps with 0 (or less) efficiency is 6.

	11-05-2005 22:14									#111
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52, 104 is "large-sized"?

	11-05-2005 22:26									#112
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44, 90 is the default large size. Your map size is nonstandard, but has linear dimensions 1.3 times as long as the standard map, so bureaucracy limits are 1.3 times as high, for 6*1.3 = 7.8 = 7 as the limit for efficiency <= 0. You should have gotten a warning upon trying to found your eighth base. If efficiency < 0 counted in the bureaucracy calculation, your base limit would be 7.8 * .75 = 5.85 = 5.