26-04-2005 02:46									#31
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quote: Also, even if Delay controlls the House, his corruption is personal. The Dems object to Delay because he in fact controls the House in a very effective way.

His dirty money gets around the Republican Party. See the Texas lege. His control is through corruption.

	26-04-2005 02:46									#32
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Once in a while I feel really anrgy with the Republican party and feel like defecting. Fortunatley, there are people like Howard Dean around to remind me about the type of people running the Democratic party.

Oh, and and anybody who doubts the utter corruption of the democratic party(or of politicians in general in this country) is sadly mistaken...

	26-04-2005 02:47									#33
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If Ned showed similar outrage when GOP talking heards spewed such things about the DP, we might think his outrage was legitimate.

	26-04-2005 02:49									#34
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And anybody who thinks they can excuse their Republican candidates embarassing behavior by rationalizing that "Democrats do it too!" is just sad.

Expect more from your party.

	26-04-2005 02:52									#35
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I'm not excusing their behavior.

	26-04-2005 02:57									#36
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara If Ned showed similar outrage when GOP talking heards spewed such things about the DP, we might think his outrage was legitimate.

OK, Che, refer me to a Republican leader, not Coulter, who called Democrats (and not specific Democrats) evil, corrupt and/or braindead.

	26-04-2005 02:59									#37
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I love it, sounds like victory ...for the repubs next election.

Americans don't like trash talk.

"EEEeeeeeeoooowwww!"...and they'll never forget 'The Scream'

	26-04-2005 03:05									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Americans don't like trash talk.

Actually they do, but the ones who like it are solidly GOP and for some reason, moderates just ignore it.

	26-04-2005 03:09									#39
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Actually they do, but the ones who like it are solidly GOP and for some reason, moderates just ignore it.

Huh? It's the left that gets off on this on this anti-GOP hatred. People like Dean and many in the democratic base seem to have no conception of the idea that two well meaning and good people could come up with very different ideas.

	26-04-2005 03:10									#40
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If well meaning and good people ran the GOP, that would be one thing.

Anyway, my point was, for some reason, Democratic froathing upsets the middle far more than GOP froathing. In addition, lots of folks on the right point to people like Dean claiming that's the reason Dem's do so poorly, but act like their own people haven't acted worse for much longer.

This whole "mean-spiritedness of politics" tripe that people like Thomas Brooks trotted out last summer, as if this were somehow a new phenomenon. Dems and Rpe have always demonized each other, but at the end of the day, they could work together. For the past decade or so, though, the GOP has acted like it would be contaminated by being in the same room with the DP. When the DP rhetorically acts like the GOP, everyone gets all crazy.

	26-04-2005 03:11									#41
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	26-04-2005 03:11									#42
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Dean in his insults refer to "Republicans", not the Republican leadership.

	26-04-2005 03:17									#43
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quote: We Republicans are evil, corrupt and brain dead? You think Dean is right?!!!!!!

Not all of you. Sometimes you're just confused.

	26-04-2005 03:19									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Dean in his insults refer to "Republicans", not the Republican leadership.

Well, that's definately a mistake. Course, right now he's gotta raise the moral of the Party base, which has suffered a serious defeat. You don't raise moral by trying to surrender.

	26-04-2005 03:20									#45
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"Republicans are 'Evil,' 'Corrupt' and 'Brain-Dead'" sounds like a valid summary of the average Republican to me.

Seriously, the policies of the Republican party tend to be very extremist and bad for the long term health of the country plus the Republican party certainly is the biggest source of curroption in the country today. Even if we go back 30-40 years and review various old cases of Democrats acting curroptly you still have Nixon's absolute crimes against the constitution, Iran-Contra, the Banking Scandal, Enron and a bunch of other big, big scandals tied to Republicans. One party is bad and the other is far worse so I choose the lesser of two evils.

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	26-04-2005 03:20									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Huh? It's the left that gets off on this on this anti-GOP hatred. People like Dean and many in the democratic base seem to have no conception of the idea that two well meaning and good people could come up with very different ideas.

The left mostly sees this as keeping up appearances.

	26-04-2005 03:30									#47
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Perhaps playing to your steriotype is not the right thing to do?

He doesn't just have to reenvigorate the base, he has to downright convince people to switch sides. What he has succeeded in doing is having his base sigh as the realize they have already lost, and had the otherside harden their hearts and say "**** you then."

	26-04-2005 03:33									#48
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He ain't talking to you. What I find funny is how many far right wingers thing they speak for the middle.

	26-04-2005 03:33									#49
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Well, that's definately a mistake. Course, right now he's gotta raise the moral of the Party base, which has suffered a serious defeat. You don't raise moral by trying to surrender.

No doubt. But the Republicans got into power by coming up with new programs and ideas. At the time, it was called, "Contract with America."

Many believe the braindead party is the Democrat Party, as it has no ideas or programs. It substitutes hatred for policy. Can they win the hearts and minds of the moderate voter by behaving like drunken lunatics?

	26-04-2005 03:36									#50
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Elections in this country are becoming more and more a joke any way. Republicans have jerry-mandered every district they can in order to prevent fair elections while congressmen from both parties attempt to move district lines in order to make "safe districts". Our democracy is very sick.

	26-04-2005 03:38									#51
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True dat, Oerdin. It's not the GOP victories that bother me so much as the way they play the game. It seems like democracy is something to be overcome, not respected.

	26-04-2005 03:42									#52
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quote: He ain't talking to you. What I find funny is how many far right wingers thing they speak for the middle.

Man you are on an bad steriotyping roll today, Oh yeah, I fogot I am from the deep South apparently

	26-04-2005 03:43									#53
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"Elections in this country are becoming more and more a joke any way. Republicans have jerry-mandered every district they can in order to prevent fair elections while congressmen from both parties attempt to move district lines in order to make "safe districts". Our democracy is very sick."

Though my memory may be failing me, I seem to remember the Dems doing the same thing Oerdin describes to the districts in the '70s. Anyone else recall this?

	26-04-2005 03:44									#54
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quote: Republicans have jerry-mandered every district they can

I suppose you take issue with the Dems making ridiculous districts to unite far flung black communities to assue black representatives?

	26-04-2005 03:45									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Man you are on an bad steriotyping roll today,

I live for hyperbole.

	26-04-2005 03:45									#56
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quote: I live for hyperbole.

"...at least its an ethos."

	26-04-2005 03:47									#57
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"I suppose you take issue with the Dems making ridiculous districts to unite far flung black communities to assue black representatives?"

Maybe this is what I remember, though if it is I wouldn't have been against it.

	26-04-2005 03:50									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos I suppose you take issue with the Dems making ridiculous districts to unite far flung black communities to assue black representatives?

It's one thing to try and get like groups together. It's another thing to try and engineer permanent minorities.

Say you had a community with four districts and it was plit 50/50. You could gerrymander the districts to have three districts with solid majorites for one party, and the other district 90% for the other party. This is what the GOP has been doing.

Personally, I'm against districts altogether. I think all representitves should be elected proportionally at large.

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