26-04-2005 04:10									#61
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	26-04-2005 04:15									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Though my memory may be failing me, I seem to remember the Dems doing the same thing Oerdin describes to the districts in the '70s. Anyone else recall this?

I don't recall jerry mandering on this scale nor pushed directly by the party leadership (as that corrupt Republican leader Tom Delay has done). I do recall hearing about how Nixon ordered the secret service to attack the opposition and to break into the offices of the Democratic Party. I also remember reading about how Nixon ordered the Army to surround the Congress building when he was being impeached. Luckily the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs issued a delay on the order then got Kissenger and the Attorney General to talk Nixon into recending the order.

If you want to bring up the 1970's then I have tons of ammo to use in order to point out the Republican Party's corrupion, cronyism, and down right criminal activities.

	26-04-2005 04:17									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Ned We Republicans are evil, corrupt and brain dead? You think Dean is right?!!!!!!

No, THEY Republicans are evil, corrupt, and braindead. The important ones.

What you are isn't relevant, though "bamboozled" and "hornswoggled" probably figured somewhere on the list.

	26-04-2005 04:20									#64
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"I also remember reading about how Nixon ordered the Army to surround the Congress building when he was being impeached."

Amazing if fact, never heard of this one before. Got a link by chance?

Nixon was an ass and I wouldn't dream of defending him. Better luck next time Oerdin.

	26-04-2005 04:41									#65
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Let me start searching google and see what I can come up with. I read it in a book on Watergate and I know I still have the book some where around the house.

	26-04-2005 04:47									#66
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The name of the book is "Shadow" and it talks about Richard Nixon's actions before, during, and after the Watergate Scandal. Its a great read. I still haven't found where I put the book but give me some time as I think I have it in a box some where.

	26-04-2005 04:52									#67
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That's ok Oerdin, I don't need it to know Nixon. Thanks though.

	26-04-2005 06:14									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Ming While Dean is probably correct in most of his ramblings... why listen... he's just another loser... Hell, he wasn't even good enough to make the finals last time around

Uh, Ming - this is a civ site. We're all "just another loser"

	26-04-2005 13:34									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin "Republicans are 'Evil,' 'Corrupt' and 'Brain-Dead'" sounds like a valid summary of the average Republican to me. Seriously, the policies of the Republican party tend to be very extremist and bad for the long term health of the country plus the Republican party certainly is the biggest source of curroption in the country today. Even if we go back 30-40 years and review various old cases of Democrats acting curroptly you still have Nixon's absolute crimes against the constitution, Iran-Contra, the Banking Scandal, Enron and a bunch of other big, big scandals tied to Republicans. One party is bad and the other is far worse so I choose the lesser of two evils.

The truth of the matter is that the party in power has the most opportunity for corruption. Neither party IMO has a penchant for corruption that sets it apart. Nixon was brought down by both the majority Democrats and moderate Republicans. Iran-Contra caused a massive and long investigation and only returned convictions for lying to Congress (perjury), much as the numerous and lengthy investigations of the Clintons only returned one charge that stuck, perjury. I am assuming that the banking scandal you refer to was the S&L scandal, which was a bipartisan (Keating 5) and ill-conceived change in the laws that allowed the looting of the S&Ls. Enron's violations occurred mostly on the watch of the Clinton administration who kept its hands off just as the Republican controlled legislative branch did. Lay and Skilling and the others have been or are now being prosecuted by a Republican controlled Justice Department.

quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Elections in this country are becoming more and more a joke any way. Republicans have jerry-mandered every district they can in order to prevent fair elections while congressmen from both parties attempt to move district lines in order to make "safe districts". Our democracy is very sick.

Moving district lines in order to gain political advantage is Gerrymandering, and again both parties do it where they have control of a state. Your state for instance is Gerrymadered beyond belief to Democrat advantage (and has been for decades) just as Texas is gerrymandered to Republican advantage, albeit more recently.

	26-04-2005 14:02									#71
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Sik, it is interesting how the Dems have now cried foul about Gerrymandering when they themselves have been practicing it for as long as memory permits, and then some. When one speaks of corruption and abuse of power, the name Hillary Clinton comes to mind quickly. Think of Travelgate, Filegate and the missing billing records that just happened to be found in her room. Nothing Nixon ever did approached the level of abuse of the system routinely conducted by this first lady.

	26-04-2005 14:45									#72
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One of my co-workers mentioned a while ago that he read some of that Ann Coulter's writings.

He said that she's basically a bigot. Haven't read anything from her, I can't say....is she really a bigot?

	26-04-2005 15:33									#73
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quote: Since the New Deal, Republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue of concern to ordinary Americans; Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church- state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, gun policy, campaign-finance reform, the environment and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident. The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the Republican Party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and absolutist religious groups.

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	26-04-2005 15:35									#74
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quote: One of my co-workers mentioned a while ago that he read some of that Ann Coulter's writings. He said that she's basically a bigot. Haven't read anything from her, I can't say....is she really a bigot?

It's hard to say. She makes a lot of money being a blonde, seemingly available girl who says bigoted things that right wing men like. It looks to me as if she's riding this as far as it will take her bank balance.

I don't know if she's serious: she's have to be bonkers if she was.

	26-04-2005 17:11									#75
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I don't know.

I think the comparisons between dean and coulter are apt.

Both have about as much chance of being elected president

	26-04-2005 17:15									#76
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Yes, but pathetic Democrats don't fantasize about having a shot at Dean.

	26-04-2005 17:20									#77
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Dunno, they are supposed to be the gay party after all.

	26-04-2005 17:24									#78
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quote: Dunno, they are supposed to be the gay party after all.

Yet the repubs are the ones who are hot for the obvious tranny.

	26-04-2005 17:26									#79
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She's just really thin.

Put on some weight and than she'd be hittable.

	26-04-2005 18:26									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Dean in his insults refer to "Republicans", not the Republican leadership.

Newt Gingrich make sweeping statement about Democrats all the time and was a froathing at the mouth fanatic if ever there was one but for some reason I don't recall Repbulicans crying about it. The current Senate Majority Leader (I'm forgetting his name but he's the one who wants to change all the rules in the Senate so his party can pack courts with extremist candidates) was another froathing at the mouth, bile spewing "I hate all nonconservatives" type person but at least he has toned down his extremism because he wants to run for President in the next election.

	26-04-2005 19:28									#81
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Ask yourself why they threw over the side of the boat somebody with the temperment of Gingrich and hired somebody with the temperment of Hastert.

	26-04-2005 20:11									#82
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quote: Oh, and and anybody who doubts the utter corruption of the democratic party(or of politicians in general in this country) is sadly mistaken...

quote: It seems like democracy is something to be overcome, not respected.

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."

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quote: Put on some weight and than she'd be hittable.

Coulter?

Nah. Her personality and ego would get in the way of hitting it. Especially since she doesn't seem to have the highest regard for her own gender.

	26-04-2005 21:53									#83
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Not to mention her GIGANTIC ADAM'S APPLE.

	26-04-2005 22:18									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Newt Gingrich make sweeping statement about Democrats all the time and was a froathing at the mouth fanatic if ever there was one but for some reason I don't recall Repbulicans crying about it. The current Senate Majority Leader (I'm forgetting his name but he's the one who wants to change all the rules in the Senate so his party can pack courts with extremist candidates) was another froathing at the mouth, bile spewing "I hate all nonconservatives" type person but at least he has toned down his extremism because he wants to run for President in the next election.

Au contraire many moderate repubs voted to re-elect Clinton as a consequence of those same tactics, myself included. Point of fact it marked my departure from repubs to indie status.

	27-04-2005 00:06									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan One of my co-workers mentioned a while ago that he read some of that Ann Coulter's writings. He said that she's basically a bigot. Haven't read anything from her, I can't say....is she really a bigot?

Bigot in the sense that she despises all liberals, even the good ones.

No, really, what she despises is liberalism.

	27-04-2005 00:11									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Newt Gingrich make sweeping statement about Democrats all the time and was a froathing at the mouth fanatic if ever there was one but for some reason I don't recall Repbulicans crying about it. The current Senate Majority Leader (I'm forgetting his name but he's the one who wants to change all the rules in the Senate so his party can pack courts with extremist candidates) was another froathing at the mouth, bile spewing "I hate all nonconservatives" type person but at least he has toned down his extremism because he wants to run for President in the next election.

Never noticed, but I will now pay more attention to what he says. But what I will say is that he is another hardliner against socialism.

	27-04-2005 00:37									#87
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quote: Bigot in the sense that she despises all liberals, even the good ones. No, really, what she despises is liberalism.

Wait, and that's okay, but it's not ok for a liberal to despise conservatism?

	27-04-2005 00:42									#88
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"despise"

I despise child molesters and rapists. Liberals...I just milk them for amusement.

	27-04-2005 00:46									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: Bigot in the sense that she despises all liberals, even the good ones. No, really, what she despises is liberalism. Wait, and that's okay, but it's not ok for a liberal to despise conservatism?

Is that what Dean meant? I thought he referred to Republicans, some of whom are liberals on social issues.

Any attack on Democrats would similarly be misplaced as there are social conservatives in that party as well.

Also, I think there is a difference between traditional economic liberals who simply want to help the downtrodden, and socialists who despise private power. I personally think that most of the traditional liberals have moved to the Republican Party, but there are some remaining in the Democrat Party. Oerdin seems to me to be a traditional liberal, for example.

	27-04-2005 01:23									#90
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Which further underscores the heinous and democracy-stifling two-party system.