27-04-2005 03:57									#61
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a translation could be :

It's hard to predict, especially about the future

	27-04-2005 04:03									#62
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There is no doubt that both the government and opposition would prefer to reach a broad agreement, especially since they both agree that the troops need to stay in Iraq for the time being.

But, when push comes to shove, the issue of whether to set a fixed exit date is actually more important that it may seem at first. Basically, the opposition's main concern is getting the Hell out of there, while the government is more concerned about not leaving before the job is done.

So I don't see a broad agreement as being very likely. I think the government will go with the recommendations of the report and extend for 8 months - and no fixed date for leaving. Which I would also regard as the only responsible step to take with the knowledge that we have now about the situation on the ground in Iraq.

Oh, predict, foretell

	27-04-2005 04:03									#63
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http://translation.langenberg.com/

spå = predict, forecast, augur, prophesy, foretell

Usual transtator butchery - However that you known ; It is difficult that predict , for the most part about the future

	27-04-2005 04:07									#64
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BlackCat's translation is a good one.

But do you know who said it, who coined the phrase?

	27-04-2005 04:13									#65
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If I'm not wrong, then it's one of the drunkards drawn by what the hell is it his name is ????

	27-04-2005 04:15									#66
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And we should. We joined the coalition albeit for the wrong reason IMHO. There most have been a 1000 reasons to go to war with Saddam, but GWB chooses the one that isn't true and his allies chooses to use the same argument. But we here now and we can only leave when Iraq is secure. Anything else would be a betrayal of the iraqis and of the peoples who voted in the governments that now forms the coalition.

	27-04-2005 04:28									#67
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Nah, the world aren't prepared to go to war of noble reasons. Until that happens, we have to live with "possible ownership of WMD's" and try to squeeze in the advantages of liberating a people from a dictator.

	27-04-2005 04:39									#68
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I agree completely with the last two posts.

Well, almost... I personally don't think that Anders Fogh put very much emphasis on the WMD issue when making the decision to join in. He was much more concerned with the golden opportunity of establishing a foothold for regime change, development and modernization of the entire region - thereby advancing not only the conditions the local people face there, but also our own long term security.

BlackCat, you're right, it was Storm P. who came up with it.

	27-04-2005 04:58									#69
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Despite I don't vote for your avatar, I agree with you that the liberation of the Iraqui people was the most valuable reason for the war.

I know that most people are more interested in wether someone may have said something that was not the perfect truth and actually gives a sh!t about what happens to the Iraqui people - our own Helveg is a perfect example - I really was angry when he claimed that our support of the liberation put blod on our hands, totally ignoring the fact that his "do nothing against Saddam" policy actually approved whatever Saddam did.

Dammit, spelling sucks, opinions harsh, and I forget Storm P can't figure out if it's the late coffe or the first part of the second bottle of red wine.

	27-04-2005 05:08									#70
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Not to worry, there are a couple of other options apart from my avatar that are pretty darn close to being sensible on most issues.

You're right, if there's one thing you'd never want to entrust Radikale Venstre with, it's foreign policy matters. It sometimes seems even most of SF is more in touch with reality than Radikale on foreign policy.

Ah, the red wine. That could actually explain a few things... Odd coincidence, I'm also sipping a glass of red wine following a late night meal. Although it's very rare for me to drink alcohol, I felt like it tonight.

Cheers BlackCat!

	30-04-2005 02:05									#71
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It is now apparent that also the two biggest opposition parties to the left of the government, Social Democrats and Radikale Venstre will support an unconditional extension for 8 months for the Danish troops, that is, without setting a fixed date for ending the troops' presence in Iraq.

This is contrary to the two parties' first signals a couple of days ago, and this means that the Danish engagement still has the full support of more than 90% of Parliament, in this case at least 158 of 175 seats.

So (as would also have been the case without the two parties' about-turn) we will continue to help get the job done at least until February 2006, but probably longer, depending on the situation at that time.

	30-04-2005 07:18									#72
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I like this Denmark you speak of.

	30-04-2005 07:26									#73
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Denmark

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Parliament today voted to extend the ~500 troops' presence in Iraq until the end of February 2006, and no fixed date has been set for ending Denmark's participation in the coalition.

The votes were 96 in favour, 16 opposed, 0 undecided, 67 absent. The parties behind the extension represent 159 of the 179 members in Parliament, ~89%.

	31-05-2005 23:17									#75
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Not surprising, from Denmark.

http://www.auschwitz.dk/docu/

	01-06-2005 06:02									#76
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Not surprising, from Denmark. http://www.auschwitz.dk/docu/

Denmark is still nowhere near the US when it comes to blind and unconditional support for Israel. For example, during the 53rd Session of the United Nations General Assembly 1998 - 99, on the 22 resolutions negative or critical of Israel the US voted "no" 17 times (1 yes and 3 abstentions) as opposed to 0 no votes from Denmark.

Mogens Lykketoft, Denmark's Foreign Minister, has described Israel's targeted killing of Hamas leaders as the moral equivalent of the assassination of Israel's tourism minister Rehavam Ze'evi, has gone on record as stating that it was Israel, not the Palestinians, which was responsible for the violence; and has called for EU economic sanctions against Israel. The Danish General Workers' Union already boycotts Israeli products.

	01-06-2005 06:13									#77
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quote: Denmark is still nowhere near the US when it comes to blind and unconditional support for Israel. For example, during the 53rd Session of the United Nations General Assembly 1998 - 99, on the 22 resolutions negative or critical of Israel the US voted "no" 17 times (1 yes and 3 abstentions) as opposed to 0 no votes from Denmark.

How does that demonstrate anything as blind and unconditional?

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker quote: Denmark is still nowhere near the US when it comes to blind and unconditional support for Israel. For example, during the 53rd Session of the United Nations General Assembly 1998 - 99, on the 22 resolutions negative or critical of Israel the US voted "no" 17 times (1 yes and 3 abstentions) as opposed to 0 no votes from Denmark. How does that demonstrate anything as blind and unconditional?

OK, a level of support that approaches being blind and unconditional. The only other no vote in the entire world besides the US's 17 no votes was a single no vote from Micronesia.

	01-06-2005 14:05									#79
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"Mogens Lykketoft, Denmark's Foreign Minister..."



Luckily, this guy is ancient history. He had a brief stint (11 months) as foreign minister in 2000-2001 under the Social Democrat-led government, and later went on to become party leader, but he resigned following a humiliating defeat in the Feb. 2005 general election - managing to land the worst election result for his party in 32 years.

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quote: Originally posted by Slaughtermeyer OK, a level of support that approaches being blind and unconditional. The only other no vote in the entire world besides the US's 17 no votes was a single no vote from Micronesia.

If voting yes about 3/4 of the time counts as blind and unconditional support, then clearly voting no 100% of the time (or more like 95% of the time in the case of Micronesia) count as blind and unconditional enmity?

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OMG Kuci, you evil zionazi.

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quote: Originally posted by Slaughtermeyer The Danish General Workers' Union already boycotts Israeli products.

Well, SID (or 3F as they are named now) tried to start a boycot back in 2002, but I don't think its active anymore.

Btw, the name "Danish General Workers' Union" could lead someone to think that they represent most danish workers - they don't. 10 - 15 % is a more correct number.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker If voting yes about 3/4 of the time counts as blind and unconditional support, then clearly voting no 100% of the time (or more like 95% of the time in the case of Micronesia) count as blind and unconditional enmity?

Incorrect, in the example I gave it would be the exact opposite, voting no (to resolutions critical of Israel) would mean support of Israel. Voting yes could at least potentially indicate enmity, or even anti-Semitism according to the
Zionist web site where I got those statistics (it states that "Anti-Semitism in the United Nations is also a factor").

In other words, the point I was trying to make was that since Denmark never voted against resolutions critical of Israel, in marked contrast to the USA which voted against them over 3/4 of the time, its attitude towards Israel differs considerably from that of the USA (and opens itself to accusations of being "anti-Semitic").

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quote: Originally posted by Slaughtermeyer Incorrect, in the example I gave it would be the exact opposite, voting no (to resolutions critical of Israel) would mean support of Israel. Voting yes could at least potentially indicate enmity, or even anti-Semitism according to the Zionist web site where I got those statistics (it states that "Anti-Semitism in the United Nations is also a factor").

Switch the words "yes" and "no" then

quote: In other words, the point I was trying to make was that since Denmark never voted against resolutions critical of Israel, in marked contrast to the USA which voted against them over 3/4 of the time, its attitude towards Israel differs considerably from that of the USA (and opens itself to accusations of being "anti-Semitic").

You also said that the US had blind and unconditional support of Israel... which by your logic, indicates that Denmark is its blind and unconditional enemy.

	01-06-2005 17:23									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Az OMG Kuci, you evil zionazi.

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quote: Originally posted by Slaughtermeyer In other words, the point I was trying to make was that since Denmark never voted against resolutions critical of Israel, in marked contrast to the USA which voted against them over 3/4 of the time, its attitude towards Israel differs considerably from that of the USA (and opens itself to accusations of being "anti-Semitic").

That's the risk you have to accept when making independent decisisons.

Some even accuses us of being pro-american just because we aren't kneejerk anti-american.

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quote: [SIZE=1] You also said that the US had blind and unconditional support of Israel... which by your logic, indicates that Denmark is its blind and unconditional enemy.

Or it could also mean (which is what I do indeed mean) that Denmark has a rational and reasonable policy when it comes to Israeli misdeeds, in line with all other European countries, in contrast to US irrationality.

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quote: Originally posted by Slaughtermeyer Denmark is still nowhere near the US when it comes to blind and unconditional support for Israel. For example, during the 53rd Session of the United Nations General Assembly 1998 - 99, on the 22 resolutions negative or critical of Israel the US voted "no" 17 times (1 yes and 3 abstentions) as opposed to 0 no votes from Denmark. Mogens Lykketoft, Denmark's Foreign Minister, has described Israel's targeted killing of Hamas leaders as the moral equivalent of the assassination of Israel's tourism minister Rehavam Ze'evi, has gone on record as stating that it was Israel, not the Palestinians, which was responsible for the violence; and has called for EU economic sanctions against Israel. The Danish General Workers' Union already boycotts Israeli products.

What does this have to do with what I posted?

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark What does this have to do with what I posted?

Nothing. Just an opportunity to let some anti-israelean steam out.