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Winston is offline Winston
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Developing story here. The Danish government is set to prolong the military presence in Iraq with an additional 8 months, foreign minister Per Stig Møller says. His ministry has issued a report on the situation in Iraq, based on which the recommendation is to continue the military engagement.

No useful links for the story yet. Denmark has some 500 troops assigned to Iraq, mostly in the Southern parts of the country. They were commited at least until the end of June under the previous decision.

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500 ? That's pretty good IMO from size of the country like Denmark.. yeah.. rock on.

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Maybe I'm asking the wrong person but why Winston is Denmark so pro- american, assuming it is. (judging from you, it is) Is it because of a perceived threat from the "east" geografically speaking, or because of the proximity of the germans? Or any cultural similarities maybe? If you feel like it it'd be interesting to know. Not only Winston of course.

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Why would it be anti-american?

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If it has no reason to be anti-american (altho it's silly to generalize for a whole country) then indeed why be that? But I'm asking if it is pro american, generally, and if so why.

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there needs to be a reason for it? Maybe they are not pro-american. Maybe they don't take a stance and refuse to answer the question and just be Denmark. ? ???

When you ask a question, there sometimes is no answer.

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Pekka, you are not danish. I'd like for a dane to answer if he feels like it. I already know what you think (and find it amusing) but on the same time I wouldn't want to threadjack. So if a dane would like to give it a shot fine if not fine again, I'm not posting anymore since it would be threadjack.

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Maybe I'm asking the wrong person but why Winston is Denmark so pro- american, assuming it is.


Haven't you ever wondered why Denmark is shaped like a butt-plug? It's cuz they're up our ass.

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As I see it, Denmark entered the coalition primarily on the basis of bringing about a regime change in Iraq and eventually be in a position to help aid the start of democracy building in the region. It should come as no surprise that the general Trans-Atlantic bickering on behalf of some countries has had very little influence on Danish policy and contributions, however small in the big scheme of things.

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"If you feel like it it'd be interesting to know. Not only Winston of course."

I'm sorry, but you authorized my response. What do you think.. is US pro-mambutu or not? And why are they pro-mambutu? There is no answer, because you are asking the wrong question....................

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But I'm asking if it is pro american, generally


I think they are pro-Iraqi.

I met a few of thier soldiers in Bahrain, excellent guys

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Why would it be anti-american?


Because that's the normal state of existance.

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Ludd, yes yes *tear*

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Thanks for your answer Winston. Doesn't really answer my question as I see it but thanks nevertheless

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Update on the story;

The government's decision to prolong the troops' presence has a solid backing in advance in the Danish Parliament.

In addition, opposition parties to the left of the government say they also favour an extension, and are even willing to send additional troops, but on the condition that a fixed date of withdrawal be set in mid-2006.

Whether the government will seek a broad agreement with the wider opposition parties remains to be seen. I think it's most likely that they will just go with their own majority backing and extend for 8 months without setting a withdrawal date, as that would be consistent with previous statements from the Prime Minister to the effect that Denmark will stay on in Iraq as long as there is a need for it, and the Iraqis request it.

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Danish troops in Iraq to stay on


...far longer than they expected!

(you missed that bit out...)

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Haven't you ever wondered why Denmark is shaped like a butt-plug? It's cuz they're up our ass.


LOL

Brilliant!

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Winston, I'm not buying it. How come governments all over Europe can't sell the "bring democracy to Iraq" story to the people, but in Denmark they can? It's awfully weird.

When it's about the "new Europe", one can understand. Did Denmark have casaulties in Iraq btw.?

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Maybe Danes care about the Iraqi people, and they realize that coalition forces are needed to fight the insurgents until the Iraqi army is ready to fight the insurgents on it's own?

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What Shi said.

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One reason is that there isn't much kneejerk anti-americanism here. Not that we are specially pro-american - there has been a couple of times where US hasn't been that happy with us.

That combined with a habit of independent thinking amongst common people make it easier.

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Well VetLegion, the democracy and regime change angle has been at the forefront of the debate the entire time here, ever since the decision was made to join the coalition in early 2003. There has been very little "window dressing" about it so to speak, and the majority of Danes don't feel misled or cheated into anything about the engagement.

Our Prime Minister has pushed hard to promote the idea of even small countries playing a part in promoting internationally the values and ideals they find important.

Another result of this approach was Denmark's determined effort to gain a two-year seat in the UN Security Council, which they will hold until the end of 2006, and where they will further try to influence things.

It is not exclusively reserved for big countries to play the game of geo-politics. Even small states should try to make a difference whereever they can. Sometimes by supporting great powers whose views they sympathise with, sometimes by taking initiatives of their own. But always by being willing to take action when needed, and not just issue declarations.

Edit: I'm not sure about Danish casualties in Iraq. I'm fairly certain there haven't been any in open combat, but this is to be taken with reservation, as I'm not really up to date on that side of it.

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Mmmm... Danish Pastries

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Denmark is a fascist country.

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It is not exclusively reserved for big countries to play the game of geo-politics. Even small states should try to make a difference whereever they can. Sometimes by supporting great powers whose views they sympathise with, sometimes by taking initiatives of their own. But always by being willing to take action when needed, and not just issue declarations.


Hmm, I do agree with that completely

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One reason is that there isn't much kneejerk anti-americanism here.


Why? I mean, yeah, the question is strange, but at the very least the US is poised to be spat on simply by being the world's top dog. Couple that with the hillbilly image of George Bush and latent anticapitalism that dominates much of Europe and other propaganda we are being fed -- and you have a case. What in hell are Danish lefties and youth doing? How can youth be pro-American??

Did Americans do something special for Denmark in her history? I can't think of anything...

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Denmark is a fascist country.


lemme see

Elections at least every fourth year

Organised suppression of people with different political opinions - nope

Ditto based upon race - nope

Ditto based upon sexual preference - nope

Miltaristic - nope

Ordnung muss sein - nope

Suppression of free speech - nope

No kneejerk antiamericanism - no... Ahh , I see, yes, we are a fascist country.

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By sticking up for democracy in Iraq you face the ire of all these lefties and get called fascist. Go figure.

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Lancer - the American who was lied to about WMD and doesn't care about it.

 
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