28-04-2005 05:36									#1
	I want to make a poll on who most influenced history in the last 500 years. Who... Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

...should I put in the poll, and why?

Here's one...

Bismarck, because he ran europe at a time when europe ran the world.

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	28-04-2005 05:38									#2
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Bismark, bastard son of Bismarck!

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2005 A.D. - 500 years = 1505 A.D.

That lets out Columbus & his discovery of America. I must think a bit on this.

	28-04-2005 05:44									#4
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Asher, thanks...fixed.

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Bismarck... bastrad great great great great grandpa of Bizmarke

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As for the list, put Henry Ford on there because... uh.... ok, put Hearst on it.

	28-04-2005 05:49									#6
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You gotta give a reason or forget it.

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The man who first realized that a movie camera could be used to film folks screwing.

He invented porn, which is what makes the internet possible.

	28-04-2005 06:01									#8
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Who cares about the internet? Porn is great for its own sake.

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quote: You gotta give a reason or forget it.

Okay, Ford for mass production with gave way to things like brand names, cheap toys for Taiwan, and Globalization!!!

Hearst for owing all those papers, I am sure he had some undermining hand in WWI, WWII, and the Spanish Revolution... and Hemingway's career, and Papa rocked

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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler 2005 A.D. - 500 years = 1505 A.D. That lets out Columbus & his discovery of America. I must think a bit on this.

Columbus

Leif Ericsson

Most influential - Sir Isaac Newton.

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	28-04-2005 06:15									#11
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Rickey Henderson, for redefining the roles of leadoff hitter and interviewee and generally being the greatest of all time.

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George Washinton/Founding fathers in general - not only for founding the USA, but also for providing the democratic model that inspired the French revolution and democracy in Europe.

Napoleon I - for shaping Europe

Lenin - for founding the first Communist government, without him, there wouldn't have been a cold war in the same way

Beveridge - for founding the NHS and the modern welfare state, used in many European countries

Keynes - for influencing almost all policy decisions since in the developed world

Elizabeth I - at the time, had a huge influence over large parts of the world, and responsible in a large part for the British Empire

Henry VIII - as for shaping history, about the only monarch everyone in England has to study. Founded the Church of England and created the split from Rome

James I/VI - creating the United Kingdom

The Wright Brothers - a lot wouldn't have happened without flight, though it may have been discovered a few years after anyway

Einstein/the team at Los Alamos - the Atomic bomb has a lot of influence in history

Lincoln - for abolishing slavery

Hitler - WWII was a pretty important historical event

Archduke Ferdinand's assassin - ditto with WWI

That's about all I can think of, I'm sure there's many I would put but I've forgotten.

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Rickey Henderson?



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	28-04-2005 06:30									#14
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Japher

Rickey Henderson ^∞

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leave it to a black guy to steal

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Luther, for destroying Christendom, regardless of how inadverdant it was.

Had you added another 50 years, the answer would've undoubtably been Gutenberg. But you didn't, so it isn't.

	28-04-2005 06:39									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer ...should I put in the poll, and why? Here's one... Bismarck, because he ran europe at a time when europe ran the world.

the Commander that disregarded the warning that Washington was planning to cross the river and attack.

	28-04-2005 06:44									#19
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I see the Enlightenment isn't doing too well. Typical of Poly really...

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Locke, Hobbes and Rousseau. Invented the modern conception of government.

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Well, I would credit the founding fathers and Robespierre and the French Revolutionaries more with democracy and modern government, for both being involved in the idea of what it is, and in showing that it works and how to do it. Far more influential than Rousseau, et. al.

I think the US struggle with England was more about taxation and wanting independance, and that even without The Enlightenment, they'd still have founded a democratic government, which would have developed into the modern system of governance we know.

	28-04-2005 06:57									#22
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Martin Luther, easily. A nod also to John Calvin.

Though I see John has mentioned him as well.

I'm surprised Karl Marx isn't listed, so I'll mention him.

	28-04-2005 07:07									#23
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Another interesting question is: who in the last 500 years will influence the course of the next 500 years the greatest?

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That is good DanS, you should do one.

	28-04-2005 07:18									#25
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Another interesting question is: who in the last 500 years will influence the course of the next 500 years the greatest?

Sir Isaac Newton

Although there have been many great scientists through the ages, none can match Newton's contributions, which are present in almost all fields of modern science. Short of a complete revision of maths and science, this influence will continue to exist for another 500 years.

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Mel Gibson.

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quote: Well, I would credit the founding fathers and Robespierre and the French Revolutionaries more with democracy and modern government, for both being involved in the idea of what it is, and in showing that it works and how to do it. Far more influential than Rousseau, et. al.

They stole the ideas from the others. They didn't do much except kill people to make it happen.

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But as I said, even without the Enlightenment, they founding father's would still have created a democratic, modern style of government. The French would still have copied that.

They may have stolen the idea, but I doubt they would have changed their actions much if they hadn't read those texts before.

Moreover, I think you underestimate how important making it work was. The idea was all well and good, but few thought it would work until it was implimented successfully. The Enlightenment would have done little if it wasn't for people implimenting their ideas successfully, yet the same basic form of government would have emerged regardless of the writings of Rousseau et. al. Hence the founding fathers and French revolutionaries had more impact/influence than the writings they used.

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quote: But as I said, even without the Enlightenment, they founding father's would still have created a democratic, modern style of government. The French would still have copied that.

Without Locke they would have been flailing in the dark. After all they copied almost all of their ideas from him, just substituting "happiness" for "property" to keep the proles happy.

quote: Moreover, I think you underestimate how important making it work was. The idea was all well and good, but few thought it would work until it was implimented successfully. The Enlightenment would have done little if it wasn't for people implimenting their ideas successfully, yet the same basic form of government would have emerged regardless of the writings of Rousseau et. al. Hence the founding fathers and French revolutionaries had more impact/influence than the writings they used.

Rubbish.

Without the idea, no possibility of change. Without those particular people but with the idea, possibility of change.

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It's like saying Newton was less important than people who used his ideas to make gadgets.

Locke, Rousseau et al changed the way people think of themselves.

You could add Freud to the list too. Every day I hear someone unwittingly describe themselves in terms of his theories.