03-05-2005 21:09									#31
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ooh, Deus Ex... one of the best games ever made. Too bad they ruined the franchise with a lousy sequel...

	03-05-2005 23:02									#32
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I wouldn't say lousy. More like average.

	04-05-2005 04:24									#33
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I would say lousy. On the other hand, I only ever played the demo.

	04-05-2005 09:57									#34
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Nuts. I thought I'd kicked my Deus Ex habit but this thread is sucking me right back in. Heelllppp meee ... ahh too late, liberty island here I come, fresh out of the academy, again.


[Edit: Incidentally, has anybody seen/tried this before ... http://redsun2020.deusexgaming.com/ ?]

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	04-05-2005 22:12									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns I would say lousy. On the other hand, I only ever played the demo.

Then you wouldn't know.

It aint great, but it's tough to measure up to a classic. If it was a standalone game you'd call it average.

	05-05-2005 02:31									#36
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Its available as a £4.99 budget release. I've picked up the case a few times and thought i should get it as i've never played it. I actualy have a PC that would run it too.
Still do i really need more games to sink alot of time into?

I think the answer is yes

	05-05-2005 03:12									#37
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Yes.

	05-05-2005 14:12									#38
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So... My brother is a traitor, eh? Or is it a hero?

He raised enough doubt in me in Hangar 747; I didn't kill the russian guy... Anna Navarre took care of him, though; amazing how she can pop up everywhere without problems... No bonus for me when I met Menderley...

Seems I will have to choose a side in the near future... Who's telling the truth and who's not... We will see...

One complaint, though... The AI is not extremely difficult, is it (or is that because I'm not playing the toughest level yet)? Strange how alarms can be set off only to stop seconds later and noone comes to kill me... Shoot a guy and his friends 50 meters away won't notice or lift a finger to assault you...

A question: can you buy a higher level of an ability (say swimming) only to sell it straight away (after your swim) and buy back your original configuration? Or is that considered a cheat?

Is there no way of sneaking up on people without having to crouch? If I walk straight there is always a walking noice (but less compared to running)...

Still no spoilers, please.

Carolus

	05-05-2005 17:45									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Carolus Rex One complaint, though... The AI is not extremely difficult, is it (or is that because I'm not playing the toughest level yet)? Strange how alarms can be set off only to stop seconds later and noone comes to kill me... Shoot a guy and his friends 50 meters away won't notice or lift a finger to assault you...

Once an alarm goes off, soldiers are much quicker to act and no longer dismiss noises that they've heard, I believe.


I never played on any difficulty setting besides realistic, so i can't say if thats your problem. But the game can be very tough on Realistic.

quote: Is there no way of sneaking up on people without having to crouch? If I walk straight there is always a walking noice (but less compared to running)...

There are augmentations that can help in this regard, if you haven't found them already, you'll know when you do. Otherwise the best way of sneaking up would probably be to use tranquilizer darts, and then run up and knock the guy out while he's choking. (If I'm remembering correctly - it's been a while)

	05-05-2005 18:02									#40
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Otherwise the best way of sneaking up would probably be to use tranquilizer darts, and then run up and knock the guy out while he's choking. (If I'm remembering correctly - it's been a while)

Yes, that's my favourite weapon (together with the electric prod)! Just as in real life I don't like attention around my person. The problem is that it takes a while before the target is tranquilised, so if he's close to an alarm panel he will easily set it off... But then again, that's not a big problem (see my post above)...

Carolus

	05-05-2005 18:15									#41
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Tranquiliser darts make the person hit aware that there is someone hostile around (duh) and causes them to actively search for you. The people directly around them will also be alerted. Until they become knocked out they will be awake and able to move, only every so often they will say freeze for a second as the poison does its work.
The gas grenade causes people to not move.

Once you buy a higher level ability, you cannot sell it back. Its been a while, but I'm pretty sure on this.

	05-05-2005 18:28									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Once you buy a higher level ability, you cannot sell it back. Its been a while, but I'm pretty sure on this.

That would be the way I want it! A sunk cost as we economists would call it... What's the point if the trade-off is not there and you can (momentarily) have any ability you need?

It's just that I seem to remember having done it... Easy enough to check next time...

Carolus

	05-05-2005 21:58									#43
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It's been a while since I played Deus Ex, but I think that Skanky is right about the higher level ability. Once you buy it, you cannot sell it back.

AFAIK, the only way to sneak up on people is crouching. At least that's what I always did, because I thought it made sense.

	06-05-2005 01:54									#44
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I usually just walked slowly.

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quote: Originally posted by Carolus Rex It's just that I seem to remember having done it... Easy enough to check next time...

You can do it in the very beginning. During character creation you start off with a skill in handguns which you can downgrade. That's it though AFAIK.

	06-05-2005 05:59									#46
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The trade-offs aren't always even though. For example with the leg upgrades

spoiler(highlight to read): You can get the walk quietly upgrade, in which case you can sneak up behind people while running, or you can get the fast run, in which case you can sneak up behind people as though you were running by crouching or run extremely fast.

Another example is

spoiler(highlight to read): healing any damage you receive versus getting less damage from radiation. Why would anyone choose to receive less damage - useful in only a fraction of situations rather than healing from anything?

	06-05-2005 06:03									#47
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quote: Originally posted by ravagon You can do it in the very beginning. During character creation you start off with a skill in handguns which you can downgrade. That's it though AFAIK.

That doesn't count, however, as you don't get to take advantage of your high handguns skill before downgrading them.

	06-05-2005 06:11									#48
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Yeah, the biggest problem with the game is that your upgrades aren't balanced at all. In each slot, there is usually one choice that is clearly better.

	06-05-2005 09:57									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Another example is spoiler(highlight to read): healing any damage you receive versus getting less damage from radiation. Why would anyone choose to receive less damage - useful in only a fraction of situations rather than healing from anything?

I've often wondered if there was anybody who'd ever taken the 'other' option in this case. Other than accidentally of course.

	06-05-2005 10:15									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns That doesn't count, however, as you don't get to take advantage of your high handguns skill before downgrading them.

In that case the only thing I can think of where it might've occurred is the old 'upgrade - stuff it up - reload - forget to upgrade' problem ...

	06-05-2005 10:26									#51
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quote: Originally posted by ravagon I've often wondered if there was anybody who'd ever taken the 'other' option in this case. Other than accidentally of course.

Me , since the preferred option makes the game boring, just like hacking. I don't use hacking except in the above mentioned non violent run, when it is absolutely needed.

	06-05-2005 19:07									#52
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Pretty cool session last night... Took the subway back to Battery Park and had a date with Anna Navarre...

She wasn't too keen to see me, so I had to take her apart... She was partly transparent; an augmentation I suppose? Nice, but it didn't help...

Günther on the other hand... A tough nut to crack, but maybe that's not necessary? After "dying" I woke up in a cell, stripped of everything... Nice twist!

Once I've played the game through, there are quite a few things I'd like to try... For example, is it possible to take out Günther and the UNATCO troopers/bots? What happens with the storyline in that case? Or if I kill Paul before he comes clean (maybe he hasn't yet?)? Hm...

Carolus

	06-05-2005 22:51									#53
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There actually isn't much variation depending on your choices.

	06-05-2005 23:18									#54
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike There actually isn't much variation depending on your choices.

The great thing about Deus Ex is that it gives you that illusion ... the first time you play it.

	06-05-2005 23:38									#55
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Yes, I've noticed...

After Paul's briefing in Hangar 747 I thought I would make a choice later on about which side to take... Not so, it seems...

As blood is thicker than ambrosia I would have sided with him anyway!

Carolus

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quote: Originally posted by ravagon I've often wondered if there was anybody who'd ever taken the 'other' option in this case. Other than accidentally of course.

The first time I played I chose

spoiler(highlight to read): radiation protection rather than healing. In the radiation-flooded room in Paris, for instance, even with this upgrade going my character died very very quickly. With the health upgrade going, he lasted much much longer - and this was in a specific situation where the first upgrade should have been much better.

	07-05-2005 11:36									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns The first time I played I chose spoiler(highlight to read): radiation protection rather than healing. In the radiation-flooded room in Paris, for instance, even with this upgrade going my character died very very quickly. With the health upgrade going, he lasted much much longer - and this was in a specific situation where the first upgrade should have been much better.

spoiler(highlight to read): With a fully upgraded environmental protection you don't take any damage in that room at 20 unit/minute. Regeneration costs 120 units/minute.

	09-05-2005 05:07									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Nacht spoiler(highlight to read): With a fully upgraded environmental protection you don't take any damage in that room at 20 unit/minute. Regeneration costs 120 units/minute.

The per minute aug cost though can be greatly reduced with another aug.
Additionally you need the former fully upgraded.


CR: Gunther is immortal at that point. Bots and troopers aren't though.
You can take them out and run away from Hermann, jumping over the barricades somehow, but it can screw the game up as you aren't 'supposed' to be able to do that.
AFAIK Paul is immortal everywhere.

	11-05-2005 20:43									#59
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Hm...

First mission in Hong Kong... I've wiped the place clean and I've entered Flight Control deck 1...

Only to find a locked "plate" I have to open and I'm out of lock-picks...

Carolus

	11-05-2005 21:32									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Carolus Rex Hm... First mission in Hong Kong... I've wiped the place clean and I've entered Flight Control deck 1... Only to find a locked "plate" I have to open and I'm out of lock-picks... Carolus

Shoot it.