07-06-2005 22:57									#121
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Thief is good enough to get its own thread.

	07-06-2005 23:19									#122
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Perhaps when I start playing it, then?

Carolus

	12-06-2005 02:19									#123
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Had a great session last night!

Started about 17.30 (that's GMT + 1) and finished ca 03.30; I reckon that's 10 hours nonstop. Well, had to talk to my wife between 22.30 and 23.00, so make that 9 and a half. With that exception, no pause whatsoever...

Oh, that sounded horrible... What I mean is, we talked on the phone... We live in different countries presently, so I try to take advantage of all the available gaming time that I possibly can... When she's here such behaviour is, I fear, neither possible nor negotiable...

I was so into the game that I dreamt about it in some vague way... And when the phone rang at 10.00 this morning and woke me up I thought "What the heck?! I'm sure I turned that camera off?"... Scary!

A few nice quotes...

JC Denton: "Bravery is not a function of firepower"

Exchange between a female and Denton:

- "You are an assasin?"
- "When necessary"

MJ12 commando (those scary-looking big guys with machine guns instead of arms!) after I sniped his partner:

"Body here - IR showing recent death" (with a cold, mechanical voice)

Carolus

Last edited by Carolus Rex on 12-06-2005 at 02:26

	12-06-2005 05:02									#124
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MJ12 commandos are tough. One of the leaps in combat difficulty in the game. I remember once when I was trying to escape down a narrow corridor in Versalife, a commando kept nailing me with rockets. Dangerous from a distance, dangerous up close...

	12-06-2005 17:33									#125
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True.

The sniper rifle is very effective against them, though. I aim for the head; it's like cutting butter with a hot knife...

In Versalife I was a true chicken... Minimal amount of combat... I just run out of there after having completed the goal... I think you encounter them for the first time in there, no?

They look great; my favourites together with the military bots (the big ones)...

Carolus

	12-06-2005 23:49									#126
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I mostly just ran out of there too, but the Commando in the red marble room is the one I was talking about. He would be at the top of the stairs when I reached the foot, so I had to deal with him as the stairwell was too cramped to try running post him. Ended up closing in and taking him out with the Dragon Tooth's Sword. (It took me a while to figure out that the Sniper Rifle could be used to take them out with one shot. At first I'd shoot for the helmetted head and they'd survive. I finally found the right spot around neck-level. I guess the idea is that's where armor segments connect and are weak.)

	13-06-2005 01:19									#127
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Maybe it depends on difficulty level?

Not being too used to shooters (although Deus Ex isn't your typical one), I don't play on the hardest level... But when I replay it, I sure will..

Carolus

	13-06-2005 01:31									#128
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I was playing on Medium. (I've begun a replay on Hard, though. Definitely is harder.)

	13-06-2005 03:45									#129
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Did you pull off one of the secondary goals in Paris? There is one where you're supposed to go and kill 4 genetically engineered animals, then go back to a woman (whose friends were killed by them) and tell her they're dead.

On the way to and fro her you have to pass a room with radiation (IIRC)... Even with a toxic suit and speed enhancement the damage was quite severe... Before trying to go back to her I continued with the mission... Found a med bot and could recharge to 100 % health...

Then I tried to run back to her (no suit this time)... It was simply impossible to get to her with more than 50% health left... Going back killed me every time... I couldn't pull it off... Perhaps there's a secret way somewhere to accomplish this?

Carolus

	13-06-2005 03:52									#130
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I simply used my Regeneration augmentation.

	13-06-2005 04:01									#131
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Oh...

Well... Guess I have to check that out (don't think I chose that one)...

Carolus

	13-06-2005 05:53									#132
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With high enough Medical skill, you could also just heal before going back, I'm sure. Regeneration simply uses Bio Energy rather than medkits to heal you.

IIRC it's worth several hundred skill points, but nothing more; you could always just skip it if necessary.

	13-06-2005 06:06									#133
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There are at least two radiation suits in that part of the building too. But yes, regen is much better.

	13-06-2005 11:56									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Carolus Rex ... (don't think I chose that one)...

	13-06-2005 12:34									#135
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I didn't the first time I played through either.

	13-06-2005 13:20									#136
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I'm hot on yer trail Carolus.
I started playing again after you started this thread and suckered me in (again) and I've just finished battling my way through Hong Kong. Now I'm off in pursuit of some tanker full of nasty stuff that's heading for the good old US of A.
Just as well that Tong chap has connections.

The spiffy black whizz-bang chopper comes in handy too ...

	13-06-2005 16:58									#137
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quote: Originally posted by ravagon I'm hot on yer trail Carolus.

Heh, heh! You'll probably pass me too as I'm leaving for a week and won't be able to play anything at all then...

What do you people think about the sequel? I've already bought it (too good price to resist), but it seems to have gotten a fairly cool reception... Some people in this thread don't like it... Why?

Carolus

	13-06-2005 17:44									#138
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It a consolified game - just basic FPS really.

In truth it's an ok game, and if released under a different name would be heralded as a decent but not spectacular FPS. However, people expecting a follow up to the classic Deus Ex get very disappointed and slam the game, not surprisingly.

	13-06-2005 18:31									#139
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As a game in its own right, it would have been ok. Not great, but not as awful as the average opinion would have you think. The biggest problem is that by being a bad sequel that could not possibly sell as well as the original, it all but ensured that no other Deus Ex sequels would be made.

	15-06-2005 13:09									#140
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Heh. Like as not I'll never catch up CR as I can only play on weekends.

quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns The biggest problem is that by being a bad sequel that could not possibly sell as well as the original, it all but ensured that no other Deus Ex sequels would be made.

I think you're wrong about killing the franchise (at least I sincerely hope so!).
There've been many series that've survived the odd bad apple and gotten past it.


*wishful thinking*

Another Deus Ex with a plot along the lines of the first is something I would dearly love to see. Conspiracies, betrayels, secret societies ...
Forget the fancy schmancy system-killing lighting system. Heck don't even bother changing the graphics or the game system much at all.
It'd be nice to have a well-modelled collision system under reasonably realistic laws of gravity but not at the expense of requiring the newest 20GHz chip and a half terabyte of ram to run it.
Maybe throw in a few new weapon mods/augs/monsters. Add in a few more generic NPC's. Blow up the map sizes somewhat from the original and maybe make it a bit more non-linear through the middle only to bring it all together again near the end?
:drool:

Ok, I'll stop now before I mess up Carolus' nice thread.

	17-06-2005 08:39									#141
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Deus Ex is my favorite game; I haven't even tried the sequel.

The one thing I know that I haven't seen mentioned is this little nicety: if you headshot anyone with a tranq dart, they fall to sleep damn quick, which is great.

	17-06-2005 22:48									#142
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And the way they run around like a headless chicken beforehand is priceless.

	29-06-2005 06:24									#143
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Been away a week... Resumed playing tonight... The ocean lab was nice (I also liked the french castle)...

I couldn't kill Walter Simmons, though... I had no big guns + the specs of my computer are too low -> the game runs extremely slow and "bumpy" due to all those explosions from his supergun -> it was simply impossible to aim right... (ok, I'm running out of excuses here... ) Despite using the regeneration aug (yes, I do have it; just didn't think of using it before) and lots of medkits, he always killed me...

So, I just ran away from him... Took care of two scuba divers on the way back, though...

Too bad there is no film during the mini-sub trip... I like the under water mission...

Nice quote from Tracer Tong: "I'm not a higher-order term in the equation anymore"...!

Carolus

	29-06-2005 07:50									#144
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Darn. Still a long way ahead of me.
Sniped the commandos in Paris and disabled the Bots. Just grabbed the plasma gun from the arms dealer and am about to terminate all of the MJ12 goons before meeting Nicolette outside the club.

I love the French door guys reaction if you don't pay to get in ...

[Insert overblown Clouseau-esqe accent]
"You sneaky swine, you will pay or I will call the police"
JC: "Make me"
"No, no you will pay!"


Incidentally CR, if you didn't kill him in the Ocean lab that won't be the last you'll see of Walton Simons ...

Note to Skanky: Hacking ATM's is not always the best way to get cash out of them. Try the two in Paris. The first gives 750 (with advanced hacking), the second 0. If you use the account #'s though before hacking the second one you can actually get money out of it ...

	29-06-2005 08:13									#145
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If you don't kill Simons in the seabase, he catches up to later? Could you put it spoiler tags for me? I always iced him in the seabase...

	29-06-2005 08:47									#146
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I ran away from Simons too. He isn't a high-order term in the equation either.

quote: Originally posted by Guynemer If you don't kill Simons in the seabase, he catches up to later? Could you put it spoiler tags for me? I always iced him in the seabase...

spoiler(highlight to read): He reappears at Area 51, in one of the buildings outside the bunker.

	29-06-2005 11:34									#147
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quote: Originally posted by ravagon Note to Skanky: Hacking ATM's is not always the best way to get cash out of them. Try the two in Paris. The first gives 750 (with advanced hacking), the second 0. If you use the account #'s though before hacking the second one you can actually get money out of it ...

... the total of which is always 750. Try it. I did. If you take money out of the accounts, then hack the atm, it will have 750 minus whatever you just took out. Strange, but apparently ATMs only have a set amount of money in them.

	29-06-2005 12:37									#148
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Uh uh. I tried it.

Hacked the first (left?) one - got my 750.
Saved, just to test the second, hacked it, got zip.
Reloaded and logged into the second one, er, 'legally' with the few account #'s I'd found (having already nicked the 750 from the first) and got, IIRC, 100, 200 and some other sum from the first 3.
Interestingly though the fourth account # had a balance of -550.
I thought it wise not to try and 'extract' that last one.


Wrt Mr Simons in the ocean lab, I've found it a handy tactic to keep running and try to draw him away from that earthmover in the corner. Then double back and get underneath it. Then you can cheap shot him to pieces.

	29-06-2005 14:42									#149
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quote: Originally posted by ravagon Incidentally CR, if you didn't kill him in the Ocean lab that won't be the last you'll see of Walton Simons ...

I figured as much. Maybe I'll try to kill him in the lab again... I've just started the silo mission (?), so I'm not too far ahead of it... I could go back and replay, although that would be cheating in my book...

What do you mean by "double back", crouch? Hiding under that vehicule... Shooting at his knee caps?

Carolus

	29-06-2005 14:46									#150
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep spoiler(highlight to read): He reappears at Area 51, in one of the buildings outside the bunker.

spoiler(highlight to read): Yes and there they have this nice conversation: Walton Simons: "You take another step forward and here I am again, like your own reflection in a hall of mirrors." JC Denton: "That makes me one ugly son of a *****."