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Slowest GDP growth in 2 years

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Annual 3.1% rate below economists' estimates; price increase pace quickens.
April 28, 2005: 11:39 AM EDT
By Chris Isidore, CNN/Money senior writer

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - The nation's economy was hit by both slower growth and higher prices in the first quarter, a government report showed Thursday, presenting both economists and investors with worrisome signs about future economic stength.

The Commerce Department's initial reading on the first quarter gross domestic product, the broadest measure of the nation's economic activity, showed an annual pace of growth of 3.1 percent, down from the 3.8 percent rise in the fourth quarter of 2004.

It was the slowest quarter since the 1.9 percent annual rate reported in the first quarter of 2003.

Economists surveyed by Briefing.com had forecast growth at a 3.5 percent annual pace.

Prices paid by individuals for items excluding food and energy, an inflation measure closely watched by the Federal Reserve, was up 2.2 percent in the report, compared with a 1.7 percent rise in the fourth quarter, marking the steepest climb in that measure since the fourth quarter of 2001. Other closely-watched price measures in the report also showed increasing inflation.

The report therefore raises the prospect of slower economic growth coupled with higher prices, a situation known as "stagflation," which is the worst possible scenario for the economy in the view of many investors.

"Stagflation is rearing its ugly head," said University of Maryland Professor Peter Morici. "Slower consumer spending and disappointing business investment are causing slower growth, high unemployment and wages that lag inflation."

If inflation risks were muted, the Fed might be looking at pausing in its current path of hiking interest rates to give the economic growth a lift. But economists say that in order to combat inflation, the Fed will keep hiking rates, further slowing growth.

"It puts the Fed in a position they probably don't want to be in, but they'll have to keep raising rates," said Drew Matus, senior economist at Lehman Brothers.

The Fed is set to meet next week to consider interest rates and is widely expected to raise rates by a quarter percentage point once again.

Mark Vitner, senior economist with Wachovia Securities, said that he believes that inflation is more in check than the rise in prices in this report would suggest. He said that the slowing economy will likely start to push commodity prices down, and he pointed to oil futures falling below the $50 a barrel mark in Thursday trading.

"That may be the high water mark (for prices)," he said, pointing to the price readings in the GDP report. "Oil could fall to $40 before it start to rebound, and since we normally get a rise in gasoline prices in the spring and early summer, it's quite possible we'll see outright decline in the Consumer Price Index in May and June."

Inventories, imports a concern
While the report disappointed Wall Street, the Bush administration tried to put the best face on the number. Treasury Secretary John Snow said a 3.1 percent growth rate, "shows that the foundation of America's economy continues to be sound and strong."

The report also had some troubling figures on inventories and consumer spending, suggesting that there is more slowing in the economy ahead, said Anthony Chan, senior economist for JPMorgan Fleming Asset Management.

Chan said the growth number, while disappointing, was actually not as strong as it first appears, as much of it was due to a buildup in inventories by businesses.

"Firms are going to move to cut back production to get rid of undesired inventories, thereby pushing growth even lower in the next calendar quarter," he said. "Business spending on equipment and software, which represents the type of spending one needs to see to become more bullish about future growth, proved to be quite disappointing by coming in way below expectations."

The nation's rising trade gap also bit into economic growth. While exports added 0.69 percentage point to the GDP, imports reduced the GDP by 2.19 percentage points.

"Despite the fact that we had a lot of consumption, it seems to be driven by consumption of imported goods," said Matus. "That also sets stage for weaker growth going forward."

Stocks opened lower Thursday. Stock futures, which had already been lower ahead of the 8:30 a.m. ET report, fell further on the disappointing reading. Concerns about slowing economic growth have been a major drag on stocks in recent weeks.

Treasury prices were mostly higher, as the prospects of slower economic growth were balanced by concerns of the Fed needing to hike rates faster to combat inflation.

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People are talking about stagflation.

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The headline number here is slightly bad news, but I suspect that inflation will moderate. I think oil prices are headed downward and other commodity prices might follow.

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how much is nominal GDP growing at?

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I kind of think that inflation will moderate in the near future too, but what if that's wrong and the fed lowers rates. And what if they raise rates, and that's the wrong thing to do.

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My calculator says 6.26% annualized.

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what about nominal growth last quarter?

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My calculator says 6.09% annualized.

NB: These figures are seasonally adjusted.

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The Fed will probably tighten. They worry more about inflation than growth.

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what was payroll growth last quarter?

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I'm guessing that you know where to find that info.

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what was payroll growth two quarters ago?

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Productivity came in at 2.6% annualized for Q1 today. That's pretty good for this part of the business cycle. Productivity growth was anemic during '93 - '95.

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The fed's job is to crush inflation then worry about growth. That's the lesson of the 1970's stagflation and NPR is saying that's what the fed will do. Tighten to kill inflation then try to restart growth. 3% is still good compared to Europe but not good compared to Asia. With the fed tightening and inflation still rearing its head we can expect growth to slow. It will help if energy prices go down but the economist is saying supplies are super tight and China's demand keeps soaring so I'd go long term bullish on oil prices especially since dumya refuses to increase fuel economy standards. Sadly cars & trucks in the US got better gas milage in 1987 then they do today and we're driving more then ever. That means the US is becoming more of a glutton when it comes to oil and we will continue to consume more.

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Productivity came in at 2.6% annualized for Q1 today. That's pretty good for this part of the business cycle.


Productivity growth is not what is keeping the economy for growing though. I don't think productivity growth is adding to economic growth right now.

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The fed's job is to crush inflation then worry about growth. That's the lesson of the 1970's stagflation and NPR is saying that's what the fed will do. Tighten to kill inflation then try to restart growth. 3% is still good compared to Europe but not good compared to Asia. With the fed tightening and inflation still rearing its head we can expect growth to slow. It will help if energy prices go down but the economist is saying supplies are super tight and China's demand keeps soaring so I'd go long term bullish on oil prices especially since dumya refuses to increase fuel economy standards. Sadly cars & trucks in the US got better gas milage in 1987 then they do today and we're driving more then ever. That means the US is becoming more of a glutton when it comes to oil and we will continue to consume more.


The thing is that oil supply is the constraint on growth right now. Whichever economy can get the oil will grow. Sending the economy into a recession is just giving up, and letting China win.

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Productivity growth is not what is keeping the economy for growing though. I don't think productivity growth is adding to economic growth right now.


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So that's only, what, 1 000 % faster growth than what France is currently having?

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All signs are pointing to a positive job outlook for the more than 1.2 million graduates of the class of 2005. College grads of all majors will see increases in hiring and salaries, the best graduate hiring season since the job boom of the mid-1990s.

Twenty percent of hiring managers plan to hire more associates, bachelors and masters graduates in 2005 than they did in 2004, according to the Collegiate Employment Research Institute (CERI) at Michigan State University. In a similar study, the National Association of Colleges and Employers (NACE) reports that employers expect to hire 13.1 percent more new college grads in 2004-05 than they hired in 2003-04.

CERI reports two key factors are shaping the labor market: productivity demands and skill requirements.

According to NACE's Spring 2005 Salary Survey, the top 10 jobs for grads and their corresponding salaries are:
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So that's only, what, 1 000 % faster growth than what France is currently having?


For the US that is a disappointing figure. Normally our model is much more dynamic then the French statist model. Rather, it is normally outperforms the French statist model by a much wider margin.

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CERI reports two key factors are shaping the labor market: productivity demands and skill requirements.


And yet real wages as a whole are stagnant. The supply of needed workers is constraining the system. If you don't have these skills it looks pretty bad, and since most unemployed people don't have these skills increasing productivity doesn't translate into economic growth.

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More like, we add more labor than the French do each year, and thus have higher economic growth.

The French do fine and often better than the US with regard to economic growth per capita. Nowadays, it's much easier to diss the Germans.

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I thought they both have 0.1% - 0.3% economic growth for 2003-2005 and 0% population growth?

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France had economic growth of 2.3% in 2004 alone. I think you're confusing Germany and France.

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Meh. Probably true. Replace all "France"s on my posts above with "Germany"s.

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People are talking about stagflation.


So? God, how I love volatile, indecisive markets. If it wasn't for those anal NYSE and FRB bastards and freeriding regs.

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join the peace corps, come back in two years, and the economy will be roaring.

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More like, we add more labor than the French do each year.


Don't you mean just last year?

In 2000-2004 employment rose by 2.5% in France compared with a 1.7% rise in the US (and a stunning 15.9% rise in Spain)

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I meant that over the long term, the US adds more labor than does France. I'm not talking with any precision here. I fully realize that there can be long stretches where labor participation does interesting things.

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I meant that over the long term, the US adds more labor than does France. I'm not talking with any precision here. I fully realize that there can be long stretches where labor participation does interesting things.


Kind of contradicting isn't it. Who cares about the ancient past?

 
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