04-05-2005 23:52									#121
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat The real effective treatment is to draw them out into the ligth and expose their stupidity.

Thats hard when Joe Shmoe is not educated enough to understand.

	04-05-2005 23:54									#122
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quote: Originally posted by Odin Thats hard when Joe Shmoe is not educated enough to understand.

It works fine with the "godwins" here - they don't have a chance even amongst those stupid enough to maybe join them.

	05-05-2005 03:36									#123
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara You're thinking of Lysenko, and he didn't almost destroy the country. His theories just set back Soviet agricultural science for a while.

Given that the Soviet Union had mass starvation, I wouldn't say "just" set back their agricultural science

	05-05-2005 03:53									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Given that the Soviet Union had mass starvation, I wouldn't say "just" set back their agricultural science

It's a *****, but I has to agree with Che - Lysenko wasn't to blame for the primary starvation caused by the collectivisation, that was Stalins job - he tried to use Lysenko to easen up this little blunder.

	05-05-2005 04:04									#125
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I understand that it still would have happened, but his theories definately didn't help.

	05-05-2005 04:18									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I understand that it still would have happened, but his theories definately didn't help.

Quite right, and the funny thing is that ID/creationists are trying to do the same thing in US and actually has some kind of succes.

	05-05-2005 04:46									#127
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The difference is, in the US the farmers and agricorporations will watch their bottom line and ignore the fundies

	05-05-2005 05:55									#128
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker The difference is, in the US the farmers and agricorporations will watch their bottom line and ignore the fundies

Yup, if they control the legslation, but what if they don't ?

	05-05-2005 09:04									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed Creationism and Fundamentalism is like Communi Terrorism. You can't fight it everywhere, because it's an infectious and insidious weed.

It's not everywhere. Amongst developed countries, Creationism is only a problem in the US.

	05-05-2005 09:05									#130
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Yup, if they control the legslation, but what if they don't ?

Huh? I meant that those particular people won't stop using evolution (more specifically, biotech) whatever the fundies do.

	05-05-2005 09:15									#131
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The problem is that the creationists have taken their licks in debates in the past, so they've studied the opposition, practiced, and learned what works in a debate. ..........They've evolved! If you or someone else want to face off against them then someone is going to have to study their tactics, learn their talking points and develop effective counterpoints, even if, yes, that means developing counterpoints acceptable to a layman.

	05-05-2005 15:48									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Given that the Soviet Union had mass starvation, I wouldn't say "just" set back their agricultural science

AFAIK, Lysenko made his ruckus after WW2, and thus after the famines. The USSR's agricultural output continued to be insufficient, and plenty of resources were wasted because of him (colonization attempts in Siberia, that his proletarian science said would become viable, silencing/killing sensible scientists), but Lysenkism was neither the cause nor the corollary of mass starvation.

	05-05-2005 21:57									#133
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He did it starting in the mid to late 30s, at the tail end of the famines.

	06-05-2005 00:21									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: As UR pointed out, it's a sham court. There's no reason reputable scientists should give a shred of credibility to this farce. Doing so is degrading to science, and will just make the quacks on the KS schoolboard look legitimate. Maybe not. The Scopes trial was a big win for reason in the end.

As it was contrived to be from the outset.

	06-05-2005 00:31									#135
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I'm reading that What's the Matter with Kansas? book.

IMHO the Dems should just let the Repugs have their way on everything until these retards have voted themselves out of existence.

How can people be so stupid?

	06-05-2005 00:39									#136
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon How can people be so stupid?

Just figure out why people supported Pol Pot et al. and you have the answer.

	06-05-2005 00:41									#137
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quote: Just figure out why people supported Pol Pot et al. and you have the answer.

He's dead. Easier to visit Denmark.

	06-05-2005 00:46									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: Just figure out why people supported Pol Pot et al. and you have the answer. He's dead. Easier to visit Denmark.

Yeah, but Castro is still alive

	06-05-2005 00:48									#139
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Castro is a great man. What do you pig farmers have to show for your efforts? Peter Schmeichel?

	06-05-2005 00:55									#140
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Castro is a great man. What do you pig farmers have to show for your efforts? Peter Schmeichel?

Go bang a sheep - you forgot to mention Michael Laudrup, HCA and Lars Ulrich

	06-05-2005 01:05									#141
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Lars is an American by any reasonable standard.

	06-05-2005 01:10									#142
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Nah, he is part of our secret invasion force - sorry, has to 'liberate' you now that you know this secret .

	06-05-2005 01:16									#143
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Even NZ pwnz Denmark.

	06-05-2005 01:16									#144
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*ahem*

On Topic:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050505...c/dinosaur_diet

Looks like Satan has planted another deceptive fossil to confuse the poor scientists.

	06-05-2005 01:30									#145
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Jawohl - ouch (sorry, always hurt my feet when clicking my bootheels)

I don't suspect the scientists to be much more confused - they probably expect to continue to find new ones.

It's worse for the ID/creats who had forgotten to get yet another creature on the arch.

	06-05-2005 06:33									#146
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Teehee!

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	06-05-2005 06:38									#147
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My eyes hurt whenever I see pictures of stupid people.



thanks a lot, Boris

	06-05-2005 06:40									#148
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They're not stupid, they're satirizing the stupids.

	06-05-2005 06:40									#149
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Where did these people come from? It's funny and scary at the same time.

	06-05-2005 06:41									#150
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Actually, maybe they are stupid, but the signs have been photoshopped.