03-05-2005 21:43									#31
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quote: Originally posted by DanS American crowds are very well behaved. It's that concept called "sportsmanship" with which the barbarians are unfamiliar. Following a sportsman's code (minus the Yankees fans, etc.) is not a bad thing, IMO.

Yeh, raaaight. American crowds are just too busy guzzling burgers, walking back and forth to the beer stand and staring at outreageously numb score boards to make any problems.

	03-05-2005 21:44									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yeah, most youth soccer players are not soccer fans when they grow up. By the time I was in high school, most of the people I played soccer with did not follow the game. I think if the US plays its cards right and tries to keep more kids as soccer fans, we can be a Top 10 squad... though I wonder if it'll happen in my lifetime.

Eh, soccer is just not fun enough.

	03-05-2005 21:44									#33
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what i know about us football is that guy lalas something that was in the us team in the previous world championship and the media had discovered that he was greekamerican.
btw that was the mondial that we were ripped to shreds! i remember that beast maradona kicking our teeth in. then he was found to be on dope. but what humiliation.

fortunately that's all washed away now

	03-05-2005 21:44									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Ouch... that's perhaps the worst management of a team I've ever heard of!

The funny thing was (if youre not a Chester fan) the guy could not stop making analogies with American football, in every crisis he'd try to find the closest thing to that crisis in American football and then tackle the problem that way.

He also tried some typically American-style motavational speaking in the dressing room before games, which went down like a lead balloon with the hardened old professionals.

	03-05-2005 21:45									#35
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quote: Originally posted by DanS This is different. The underlying infrastructure for domination is being built, although slowly.

M1 tanks, Apache attack helis or anything like that aren't allowed on the field

	03-05-2005 21:46									#36
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the one and only football match i ever attended in my life btw was anderlecht vs ghent. anderlecht won (i was anderlecht)

	03-05-2005 21:49									#37
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro M1 tanks, Apache attack helis or anything like that aren't allowed on the field

The American soccer scene is a lot more vibrant than you might believe, it's just constructed very differently than anywhere else in the world.

I will leave the trolling aside somewhat because I'm also interested in this topic of Euro perception of American soccer.

	03-05-2005 21:49									#38
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In St. Leo's socialist paradise, there will be no sports.

	03-05-2005 21:49									#39
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quote: Originally posted by DanS The long-term trends are very auspicious for us. Our guys just have to keep improving themselves and avoid becoming sidetracked.

No no no, you don't understand. You may be improving yourselves and someday you might produce good players, but they'll all move to European teams.

	03-05-2005 21:50									#40
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quote: Originally posted by DanS I will leave the trolling aside somewhat because I'm also interested in this topic of Euro perception of American soccer.

Football.

	03-05-2005 21:51									#41
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quote: Originally posted by DanS The American soccer scene is a lot more vibrant than you might believe,

That may be, but it doesn't mean that it is not in other countries as well....

	03-05-2005 21:52									#42
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Look down the road 30 years, Colon. Beyond maybe 5 or 6 Euro teams, that will not be so. I guarantee it.

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They show American soccer late at night in the UK, I've watched the odd game the standard looks about equal to the English first division (which confusingly is really the third division, don't ask!)

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quote: Originally posted by DanS Look down the road 30 years, Colon. Beyond maybe 5 or 6 Euro teams, that will not be so. I guarantee it.

You also used to be pretty certain Somalia is a terrorist's hornet's nest.

	03-05-2005 21:55									#45
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DanS may be trolling, but I think that's part of the hype I've described in my opening post that Europeans may be reacting to, which makes them look more snide towards American soccer.

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Theres a cracking Budwieser ad running on English TV at the moment taking the p1ss out of American attitudes to soccer, saying they'd introduce 'sudden death multi ball' instead allowing draws etc. pretty funny.

	03-05-2005 21:58									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui DanS may be trolling, but I think that's part of the hype I've described in my opening post that Europeans may be reacting to, which makes them look more snide towards American soccer.

Sniding? Nooooooo, what makes you think that?

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quote: Originally posted by Colon You also used to be pretty certain Somalia is a terrorist's hornet's nest.

You need only look at paid attendance, TV deals, stadium deals, etc. to figure out where this is headed. We have something that works for the US market (whereas we didn't before).

As stated, it's dissimilar to the way other countries do it. For instance, every college has a soccer team.

	03-05-2005 22:01									#49
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The Americans are getting good. Sure, the domestic league is not world class, but their international squad gets better every year and they are producing some excellent players.

Somewhere in an American ghetto, there's a black kid who will be the next Pele. When he turns up, American soccer will explode.

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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Theres a cracking Budwieser ad running on English TV at the moment taking the p1ss out of American attitudes to soccer, saying they'd introduce 'sudden death multi ball' instead allowing draws etc. pretty funny.

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why does it matter to americans if they're good or considered good in football?

	03-05-2005 22:03									#52
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A bit more competition can't be that bad.

	03-05-2005 22:03									#53
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What, you don't think Freddie Adu is that person?

I'm getting flack on other forums for being too concerned how Europeans percieve American soccer, but I think it is important that the big dog respect you and your players.

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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever They show American soccer late at night in the UK, I've watched the odd game the standard looks about equal to the English first division (which confusingly is really the third division, don't ask!)

I really like the way every competition's name either champions league or premier or bestest league while we're already talking about guys with beer belly's that would make Michael More proud.

	03-05-2005 22:06									#55
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quote: Originally posted by DanS You need only look at paid attendance, TV deals, stadium deals, etc. to figure out where this is headed. We have something that works for the US market (whereas we didn't before). As stated, it's dissimilar to the way other countries do it. For instance, every college has a soccer team.

I know you are trolling Dan, but attendance isn't that great (less than hockey used to pull in by a good margin). Stadium deals are actually good (though some teams still play in multi-purpose stadiums which has adverse effects, such as the non-retangular field at the last D.C. United match). The TV deal?! MLS PAYS ESPN to broadcast games... it's supposed to work the other way around.

Oh, as for colleges having soccer teams, by the time they get out, they are usually too old to develop into uber-stars in Europe. Adu, Gaven, Beasley, Donovan is the prefered European way (get 'em before they go to college).

	03-05-2005 22:08									#56
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I think the American soccer team has made great strides forward and I like to watch them. I think the american commentators about the american soccer team suck ****. Strangely, I dont remember any european comments about the team. Maybe thats their comment in itself!

	03-05-2005 22:11									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui What, you don't think Freddie Adu is that person? I'm getting flack on other forums for being too concerned how Europeans percieve American soccer, but I think it is important that the big dog respect you and your players.

Well, honestly... that shouldn't really be a prob. I remember from various international tournaments that most people enjoyed it when the (so-called) underdogs beat the "big guys", or achieved at least good results, or simply played great, but lost. Those teams often won a lot of sympathies. That was the case with teams from different continents, it didn't matter where they came from.

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quote: but attendance isn't that great

I think you're selling the league way too short. Over 15,000 people are paying over $20 per match on average. It's a sustainable business that has a lot of years of steady growth ahead of it, as they try out new markets and discard markets where it didn't work out. Who would have thought that a town like Columbus, Ohio could support a soccer team so well, for instance.

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quote: MLS PAYS ESPN to broadcast games...

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quote: Originally posted by DanS I think you're selling the league way too short. Over 15,000 people are paying over $20 per match on average. It's a sustainable business that has a lot of years of steady growth ahead of it, as they try out new markets. Who would have thought that a town like Columbus, Ohio could support a soccer team so well, for instance.

How is that countering that attendance isn't that great? It's a good number and will sustain a league, but it's not going to produce a France or England within 30 years. 15,000 is a decent number, but before we start thinking of world domination, we gotta get that number to 30,000 average, at least. That would indicate a growing popularity of the sport.

Of course, the MLS still hasn't matched the attendance of its first year (which was close to 17,500 per match).