04-05-2005 10:20									#151
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Asher, what's up with those new IBM chips that have 4 cores on them with like multiteraflop per second speed?

	04-05-2005 10:21									#152
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quote: They're complementary. Though together with a BlueTooth enabled laptop with OneNote, it's pretty close to replacing it. When a diagram is being drawn, or I draw one to help explain something to people, I'll draw it on my iPaq and then beam it instantly over to my laptop full-screen in OneNote, then we annotate it from there. Painless. I literally just need to select Beam To -> Killian (name of my laptop) on the iPaq and it gets pasted into OneNote automatically. Technology

You are such a ****ing fraud.

You moaned about people liking computers because of their looks and for other reasons you consider impractical, and here you are describing one of the most unnecessary techno w@nks in recent memory.

Of course it's absolutely necessary... but it just happens to be pointless super geeky fun.

	04-05-2005 10:26									#153
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon You are such a ****ing fraud. You moaned about people liking computers because of their looks and for other reasons you consider impractical, and here you are describing one of the most unnecessary techno w@nks in recent memory. Of course it's absolutely necessary... but it just happens to be pointless super geeky fun.

Unnecessary? Diagrams and non-alphanumeric typing is not only common in my field, it's extremely common. Drawing with a touchpad or trackpoint is just not how it's done. It's painful, it's inaccurate, it's too slow.

Having a touchscreen and a stylus is damn, damn useful for note-taking.

That is the kind if innovation I look for in PCs -- not crap like Solitaire with a kludgey interface on my iPod, or a 64K-color 2" photo viewer on my iPod.

A lot of people here wouldn't appreciate that kind of innovation, but that's because they're too busy masturbating to the latest iMac G5's "innovative" look and style (nevermind that it's strikingly similar to older PC products).

	04-05-2005 10:27									#154
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Asher, what's up with those new IBM chips that have 4 cores on them with like multiteraflop per second speed?

What about them?

The big news with IBM has yet to come out. It involves Apple and IBM's future.

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	04-05-2005 10:28									#155
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quote: The big news with IBM has yet to come out. It involves Apple and IBM's future.

I heard Apple is going with Intel.

	04-05-2005 10:29									#156
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Whoah!

Sounds exciting!!

Can't wait to see what happens.

	04-05-2005 10:29									#157
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What an interesting rumour.

Why Intel, are there no other x86 manufacturers out there?

	04-05-2005 10:31									#158
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I imagine it will piss some people off, but not me. I don't care what chips they use as long as the OS works.

I suppose they could go with AMD. It would make more sense. AMD seems to be making all the noise lately on the x86 front.

	04-05-2005 10:40									#159
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quote: Whoah! Sounds exciting!! Can't wait to see what happens.

Probably nothing. IIRC they've always had a version of OS X that runs on x86 in case the thing with IBM went nowhere. And it seems it is, since there is no hope of putting a G5 in a notebook.

Apple is really about the end product, so it doesn't matter what parts they use.

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Hmmm...now Apple is using FreeBSD as its core, but IBM is pimping Linux like a sex addict in the red light district.

Hmmm....

	04-05-2005 10:45									#161
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Probably nothing. IIRC they've always had a version of OS X that runs on x86 in case the thing with IBM went nowhere. And it seems it is, since there is no hope of putting a G5 in a notebook. Apple is really about the end product, so it doesn't matter what parts they use.

I've said for years that Apple was stupid for shuning Intel/AMD in favor of Motorola/IBM.

Motorola's chips lack in performance but have excellent thermal characteristics -- they make embedded products.

IBM's chips are powerful in performance but have hot thermal characteristics -- they make performance, server products.

Intel/AMD make the consumer chips.

Apple's just not big enough to get that special of a chip. For example, IBM has nothing like Centrino or the Pentium M, because they don't need to. Chip design costs are so massive, and Apple's market so small, that it doesn't make sense.

I've been flamed for years from Apple fans about how "RISC > CISC" and how the G3/G4/G5 are fast-son-of-a-*****es and so clearly superior, that it would warm my heart to have Apple switch to x86.

	04-05-2005 10:46									#162
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I don't think that has anything to do with it.

Asher can correct me if I'm wrong, but the PPC G5 is just a crippled version of one of IBM's POWER chips for servers IIRC.

It was never designed to go into a notebook, and will probably be too hot to ever go into one. But Apple sells a lot of Powerbooks (people love the things: they are attractive and reliable computers) and really needs a better chip than the aging G4 in them (well - people other than me – I don't need the power).

Hence they are going to have to get a new chip from somewhere. I heard rumours about a version of the G5 for notebooks, and there's all this dual core nonsense, but that's all rumour and will probably come to nothing.

	04-05-2005 10:47									#163
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quote: I've said for years that Apple was stupid for shuning Intel/AMD in favor of Motorola/IBM.

The G3 was a pretty good chip in its day. My machine has a G3 and it has lasted very well.

	04-05-2005 10:49									#164
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I don't think that has anything to do with it. Asher can correct me if I'm wrong, but the PPC G5 is just a crippled version of one of IBM's POWER chips for servers IIRC. It was never designed to go into a notebook, and will probably be too hot to ever go into one. But Apple sells a lot of Powerbooks (people love the things: they are attractive and reliable computers) and really needs a better chip than the aging G4 in them (well - people other than me – I don't need the power). Hence they are going to have to get a new chip from somewhere. I heard rumours about a version of the G5 for notebooks, and there's all this dual core nonsense, but that's all rumour and will probably come to nothing.

The G5 is a castrated verion of IBM's POWER4 chip for servers, with a VMX unit (VMX is IBM's name for Altivec, since Altivec is trademarked by Motorola).

The G5 is actually the PowerPC 970 (130nm process), and the most recent version is the PowerPC 970FX (90nm process).

There are dual-core versions of the PowerPC 970FX, but they're still in the engineering sample phase.

There is rumoured to be a low-power version of the PowerPC 970FX for "blade" systems, but I can't say anything more than that.

POWER5 is a much more advanced chip than POWER4, and the vast majority of IBM's engineering work is focusing on that POWER5 and POWER6 families.

For example, Microsoft is paying a pretty dollar for a "crippled" version of the POWER5, but with a vector unit and tri-core.

	04-05-2005 10:50									#165
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quote: I've said for years that Apple was stupid for shuning Intel/AMD in favor of Motorola/IBM.

They'd always used Motorola's chips IIRC. The PowerPC thing was a relic of the Sculley/Spindler/Amelio years, which were the worst years at Apple.

	04-05-2005 10:52									#166
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quote: The G5 is a castrated verion of IBM's POWER4 chip for servers, with a VMX unit (VMX is IBM's name for Altivec, since Altivec is trademarked by Motorola). The G5 is actually the PowerPC 970 (130nm process), and the most recent version is the PowerPC 970FX (90nm process).

I knew that much. I couldn't remember which POWER chip it was.

quote: There are dual-core versions of the PowerPC 970FX, but they're still in the engineering sample phase. There is rumoured to be a low-power version of the PowerPC 970FX for "blade" systems, but I can't say anything more than that.

In other words, there is.

quote: POWER5 is a much more advanced chip than POWER4, and the vast majority of IBM's engineering work is focusing on that POWER5 and POWER6 families. For example, Microsoft is paying a pretty dollar for a "crippled" version of the POWER5, but with a vector unit and tri-core.

For the XBox, right?

	04-05-2005 11:04									#167
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Interesting. If Apple goes x86, does it mean that people will be able to install OS X on their PC's?

	04-05-2005 11:07									#168
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quote: Interesting. If Apple goes x86, does it mean that people will be able to install OS X on their PC's?

I doubt it. Apple makes most of their money out of hardware, even though their appeal is mainly their software. They are a somewhat old fashioned company – back to the days when manufacturers made the machines and the software than ran them.

But who knows? Maybe Asher does: maybe he's trolling. I do know that it is unlikely that IBM will make a chip for Apple's Powerbooks, and that may well force them to look elsewhere.

	04-05-2005 11:09									#169
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For once, I'm not trolling. Something's going down.

	04-05-2005 11:18									#170
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Well, it will be interesting to see what it is.

I can make one confident prediction: the Apple Death Knell Counter will continue to go up.

	04-05-2005 11:20									#171
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	04-05-2005 11:22									#172
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He already edited out the juicy bits.

If he really hates Apple: he should anonymously post to Think Secret, since Apple is suing them.

On the other hand, that would be bad.

	04-05-2005 11:24									#173
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10 bucks says I buy a Powerbook and Apple switches to Intel a month later.

	04-05-2005 16:20									#174
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris You can install Linux on a Mac.

*sigh*

But not Windows, and since about half of the programming I do is for a Windows environment, an Apple laptop would be a waste of money.

	04-05-2005 16:22									#175
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui If you are bringing a laptop to an undergrad lecture, there should be able plugs around so you won't need your battery. If there aren't plugs, then you aren't supposed to bring your laptop... use paper.

I'm in high school. I'm not an undergrad. This is primarily so that I can have a single computer from which to do all my computer courses (rather than store my stuff on one of our schools two networks), and one that will allow me to work on that stuff during lunch etc.

	04-05-2005 16:24									#176
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: Seriously, just incredible. Apple doesn't have anything like it. Because it's a waste of time. Real professors allow the students to download the notes. Tablet PCs as they exist today are basically useless toys.

My physics teacher uses a tablet PC hooked up to a projector to teach the class.

	04-05-2005 19:51									#177
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quote: My physics teacher uses a tablet PC hooked up to a projector to teach the class.

And physics teachers are notorious, socially inadequate cranks. Your point?

	04-05-2005 19:53									#178
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I can see our future is going to mildly infested by Kuci quoting his professors over the next 4-6 years, and taking it as truth... this should be fun

How 'bout them apples!

	04-05-2005 19:58									#179
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quote: Originally posted by Japher I can see our future is going to mildly infested by Kuci quoting his professors over the next 4-6 years, and taking it as truth... this should be fun

Why are you speaking about the future? It already happened a few times.

	04-05-2005 20:04									#180
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The boy is in desperate need of beer and women.

Doesn't he have a nanny? I hear they're pretty easy. And he has his own private bathroom to do her in.