08-05-2005 06:40									#1
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I love them
Probably the most useful thing ever invented. I don't know how to program Windows-BAT files, but I know BASH and with the GNU commandline utilities you can do almost everything.

The only thing that I hate is the syntax and I've torn several hairs out to get some things right.
VAR=$VAR+1 works that way: VAR=$(($VAR+1))

Anyway I just did one in about one minute that saved me probably 2 hours time of ridiculous work.

Ofc for me, all that would be impossible without Cygwin!
Bash
Cygwin

	08-05-2005 06:46									#2
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OMG, you're Kuciwalker's DL!!!

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No... that would be Gen. Atkinson.

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Again... what's with this DL stuff?

You are all mean. And I'm a glutton.

Not for pain, I'm just hungry.

	08-05-2005 06:59									#5
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You only lack one step - tcsh is what really rocks. I thougth csh ruled, but then I saw the light

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What's so great about tcsh?

Besides it is 4 a.m. I should get some sleep... or compile the results...

	08-05-2005 07:20									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa I love them Probably the most useful thing ever invented. I don't know how to program Windows-BAT files, but I know BASH and with the GNU commandline utilities you can do almost everything. The only thing that I hate is the syntax and I've torn several hairs out to get some things right. VAR=$VAR+1 works that way: VAR=$(($VAR+1))

Don't know what data your trying to manipulate, but have you every tried MatLab? Very flexible with data arrays!


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Actually, I write my scripts in ksh - that is the most portable, but I prefer to use tcsh in my propt (arrow up is much easier) .

Anyway, ksh wasn't invented when I had to choose between sh and csh so I am a csh fan

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quote: Originally posted by Darsnan Don't know what data your trying to manipulate, but have you every tried MatLab? Very flexible with data arrays! D

I have not tried, but it's available in the lab and they said there is even a guy who is quite an expert with it.
As for now I am just doing some filesystem stuff with bash and compile results with a mathematica notebook



I think I go to bed now

	08-05-2005 07:38									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa I have not tried, but it's available in the lab and they said there is even a guy who is quite an expert with it.

I'd recommend you become friends with that "Expert", and I'd bet that individual's future is bright wherever they end up.....



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Where is Kuci? Did he get locked in one of his thirty-two private bathrooms?

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Aggie - last time you said he had twenty-something bathrooms . WTF ?

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ok. been thinking about this for some time.

As a kid, i taught myself basic from a book and wrote simple graphic based games by the time was 11 or 12. After that I got interested in other things.

I currently know nothing about C/C++/visual basic...i dont really even know what these are.

If i wanted to teach myself some stuff and get back into the swing of things, where would be the best place to start? I need free downloads for compilers (is that even the right term) and that sort of thing. Im sure i can find turtorials and stuff online

Im using windows xp and basically am not sure what language i should go for and where to get it.

All help appreciated

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#!/bin/sh pwnz all these sissy new shells


history command, PAH

Being able to use the backspace without getting garbage or having to set the TTY. PAH

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quote: Originally posted by Zulu Elephant ok. been thinking about this for some time. As a kid, i taught myself basic from a book and wrote simple graphic based games by the time was 11 or 12. After that I got interested in other things. I currently know nothing about C/C++/visual basic...i dont really even know what these are. If i wanted to teach myself some stuff and get back into the swing of things, where would be the best place to start? I need free downloads for compilers (is that even the right term) and that sort of thing. Im sure i can find turtorials and stuff online Im using windows xp and basically am not sure what language i should go for and where to get it. All help appreciated

I don't think you will have trouble finding a free compiler. There should be a bunch of them out there. If I would you I'd study some kind of C or Java.

Maybe the programmers around here have better advice on a more specific language.

	08-05-2005 11:02									#16
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The Bourne Shell (sh) is what you write the scripts in, so they can be portable.

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Bourne Shell

I always use Bourne for the reason you said.

Alot of peeps use bash or ksh but they have functions in them that often don't work in other shells.

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quote: Originally posted by Zulu Elephant If i wanted to teach myself some stuff and get back into the swing of things, where would be the best place to start?

If you want to do development work, Linux is a better environment. You get all sorts of Free Software - editors, compilers, debuggers, even profilers. There are also integrated development environments available. Eclipse is general purpose, while netbeans is for Java. There is also gambas.

So find an old computer and install a distro - Fedora Core, Ubuntu, SuSE, etc. The two to stay away from for now are gentoo and debian. Then you can pick a language to study - I recommend Java.

	08-05-2005 11:33									#19
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What difference does it make if i use windows?

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quote: Aggie - last time you said he had twenty-something bathrooms . WTF ?

But then I was only referring to his five summer residences.

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quote: Originally posted by Zulu Elephant What difference does it make if i use windows?

Do you know of any good programmer's editor for windows?

	08-05-2005 14:27									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Zulu Elephant ok. been thinking about this for some time. As a kid, i taught myself basic from a book and wrote simple graphic based games by the time was 11 or 12. After that I got interested in other things. I currently know nothing about C/C++/visual basic...i dont really even know what these are. If i wanted to teach myself some stuff and get back into the swing of things, where would be the best place to start? I need free downloads for compilers (is that even the right term) and that sort of thing. Im sure i can find turtorials and stuff online Im using windows xp and basically am not sure what language i should go for and where to get it. All help appreciated

Get the BETA(Visual Studio) for VB.Net 2005 for free.

	08-05-2005 15:50									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Do you know of any good programmer's editor for windows?

SciTE is okay and available for Windows. And you also have the IDEs like Eclipse and standing above all: Visual Studio

Anyway Zulu Elephant, you could probably look at the Cygwin Linux-Environment for Windows. There you got the Gnu C Compiler Family (gcc) which is free. I think you could also get the MinGW32 Compiler which AFAIK you don't need Cygwin with.

As for IDE you should probably go for Eclipse.

quote: The Bourne Shell (sh) is what you write the scripts in, so they can be portable.

Ah I don't care so much about portability as the scripts work fine in Cygwin and on the Linux-Cluster. Bourne Again!

	08-05-2005 15:57									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa SciTE is okay and available for Windows. And you also have the IDEs like Eclipse and standing above all: Visual Studio

The thing is though, if Zulu Elephant want to get back into the swing of the things, he should start with Java. So that's dealing with the SDK with command line and possibly netbeans (a lot of people use JBuilder, but I had a hell of a time trying to add the JDBC driver of mySQL to it).

Developing on the command line in Windows is intolerable because of 8.3.

	08-05-2005 16:34									#25
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Jbulder..

* alva spits on the floor! Bah

Visual Studio

PS, Jbuilder has unofficially been abandoned by Sun.

	08-05-2005 18:59									#26
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quote: The thing is though, if Zulu Elephant want to get back into the swing of the things, he should start with Java. So that's dealing with the SDK with command line and possibly netbeans (a lot of people use JBuilder, but I had a hell of a time trying to add the JDBC driver of mySQL to it). Developing on the command line in Windows is intolerable because of 8.3.

That's what cygwin is for

Besides I'd recommend C# over Java.

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quote: Besides I'd recommend C# over Java.

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger If you want to do development work, Linux is a better environment. You get all sorts of Free Software - editors, compilers, debuggers, even profilers. There are also integrated development environments available. Eclipse is general purpose, while netbeans is for Java. There is also gambas. So find an old computer and install a distro - Fedora Core, Ubuntu, SuSE, etc. The two to stay away from for now are gentoo and debian. Then you can pick a language to study - I recommend Java.

All thats a bit over the top, it sounds to me like Zulu just wants a bit of mental exercise and to see whether he's still intested in knocking up a few programs in his spare time.

Just get JBuilder, Borland C or, as Alva may have mentioned ,Visual Studio (or one of the packages in it). Ignore all the crap above, it's total overkill, you'll be put off before you even manage to get "Hello World" up on the screen.

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quote: Originally posted by alva PS, Jbuilder has unofficially been abandoned by Sun.

Um, no. JBuilder is a Borland product.

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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Just get JBuilder, Borland C or, as Alva may have mentioned ,Visual Studio (or one of the packages in it).

Is Visual Studio free?