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Ted Striker
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United States of America
Jan 1970
time: 21:18
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Originally posted by Az
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Uhhh, I just told you that, and that's what we do here. The city center already has subways. The outlying areas have elevated trains that join the subway.
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Erm, no, I've seen your system, and it's NOT what I am talking about :
a) subway should cover more of the city center- you have like a single line there. This will promote growth and *gasp* inner city revival ( coupled with other projects, of course)
b) your trams aren't rapid enough. They should be rapid, and completely separated from traffic, just like subway is.
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It IS what you are talking about. It's just the foundation, for further expansion. Most people need to see a proof of concept in action before betting the entire bank on a system that changes an entire landscape of a city and is a giant financial burden on the state AND the Feds. They need to see Return on Investment.
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Give me a better one, then we'll talk.
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17 Miles of subway with stations cost 4.5$ Bill USD, IIRC - and it was criticized as very inefficient construction. ~250 Mil per mile.
Baltimore metro line 15.5 miles cost ~1.4 Bill USD. ( it's elevated, not ground level ) ~100Mil per mile ( 80s dollars)
Assuming costs of ~ 150M per mile and that LA metro needs 12 lines of metro costing 20 miles long each, for example - 240 miles. ( or a different set up, with longer lines, for example).
That's 60 Billion dollars. That's not an exorbitant sum of money fo a 15-20 year long project that will be supported by federal and state money, and will have also the financial support not only of the city of LA, but also neighbouring local authorities - a project that will build new arteries to help the clogged freeways of yours ( That I really like, btw)
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Sure, in a perfect world, where common sense actually. ruled. Like I said, money doesn't grow on trees.
There is no state money. Period. At the Federal level, our tyrannic moron of a leader is busy conducting his little war which costs 177 million per day. And I doubt that the rest of the nation would support such an expenditure for just Los Angeles. If you can find someone who can sell this idea, you have found the greatest politician in the history of mankind.
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DanS
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Kickball Capital of the World
Jan 1970
time: 00:18
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It would have been cheaper to pulverize the city and start over.
Edit: I note that with the Dulles Airport rail extension, the Washington subway will be the second longest system in North America behind NYC.
Last edited by DanS on 09-05-2005 at 12:17
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Az
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:18
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s an urban area of 120,000 people large enough for a subway, because right now the only system of mass transit is our buses, which most people never use so it's mostly filled with people who are old, disabled, retarded, etc. At the same time traffic jams are becomming more and more common and the way some of the traffic lights are timed seems like they were intentionally set to cause traffic headaches instead of fixing them |
120,000 people in metro is covered very well by a set of buses. Schedule should be good, though.
oh, and the old, the disabled, and the retarded are people too, you swine. 
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