08-05-2005 07:58									#1
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quote: California to ban hunting over Internet Wednesday, May 4, 2005 Posted: 10:37 AM EDT (1437 GMT) SACRAMENTO, California (AP) -- Wildlife regulators took the first step Tuesday to bar hunters from using the Internet to shoot animals, responding to a Texas Web site that planned to let users fire at real game with the click of a mouse. The Fish and Game Commission ordered wildlife officials to prepare emergency regulations to ban the practice. A period of public comment will follow. "We don't think Californians should be able to hunt sitting at their computers at home," said Steve Martarano, a spokesman for the state Department of Fish and Game. A bill passed by the state Senate two weeks ago would prohibit use of computer-assisted hunting sites and ban the import or export of any animal killed using computer-assisted hunting. The measure now moves to the state Assembly. At least 14 other states and Congress are considering similar bills. Groups including the California Sportsmen's Association, Safari Club International and the Outdoor Sportsman's Coalition of California support the ban, saying hunting over the Internet is unethical and unsporting. Supporters have suggested the remote hunting could be beneficial for hunters with disabilities and questioned why Californians should be barred from patronizing a legitimate Texas business.

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	08-05-2005 08:01									#2
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Fukcing killjoys!

	08-05-2005 08:11									#3
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We should be able to hunt Californians from our computers. I mean why not?

First I've heard of the practice. Sound barbaric.

	08-05-2005 08:13									#4
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Call me when you can shoot fat bowlers over the Internet. That would be making a sport out of a non-sport.

	08-05-2005 08:22									#5
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Call me when you can shoot fat bowlers over the Internet. That would be making a sport out of a non-sport.

as long as they don shoot Santa 'cause that would be a real bummer

	08-05-2005 08:24									#6
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quote: We should be able to hunt Californians from our computers. I mean why not?

	08-05-2005 10:45									#7
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Cause we shoot back.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20...eeway_shootings

	08-05-2005 10:47									#8
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What's the deal with that Ted? Why does it happen so often down there?

	08-05-2005 10:54									#9
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I think alot of it is simple road rage. We have the worst traffic in the US so it takes alot of time out of your day. The little things like people cutting off make you like you just lost alot of time. Blown out of perspective, I know, but it happens.

Then there are just guys out looking for trouble, there is still a big gang problem, which is now mostly contained to specific neighborhoods, but those guys have cars so they are mobile.

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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Cause we shoot back. http://story.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20...eeway_shootings

So that scene on the freeway in LA Story where the motorists were shooting at each other was based on reality?!?

	08-05-2005 10:58									#11
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Be careful Ted, don't cut anyone off. I always worry about you and Zkrib when I hear stuff like that. I know you guys are just 2 in millions, but still.



Oh, and remember to eat your veggies. Just kidding. Sometimes I sound like a grandmother...

	08-05-2005 11:03									#12
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quote: So that scene on the freeway in LA Story where the motorists were shooting at each other was based on reality?!?

You knew that the Academy almost mistakenly nominated it in the documentary category, didn't you?

	08-05-2005 12:28									#13
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this internet thing is the most horrible thing I have ever heard.

	08-05-2005 15:31									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I think alot of it is simple road rage. We have the worst traffic in the US so it takes alot of time out of your day. The little things like people cutting off make you like you just lost alot of time. Blown out of perspective, I know, but it happens. Then there are just guys out looking for trouble, there is still a big gang problem, which is now mostly contained to specific neighborhoods, but those guys have cars so they are mobile.

BUILD SUBWAYS, B*TCH

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quote: California to ban internet hunting?

	08-05-2005 15:51									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Az BUILD SUBWAYS, B*TCH

Unfortunately, the entire US was not built for public transports. Otherwise, the city planning would be a whole lot different.

Even more unfortunately, Chinese cities are getting to be like that.

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Unfortunately, the entire US was not built for public transports. Otherwise, the city planning would be a whole lot different.

That is correct. The sprawl isn't the best things for public transportation.

And by the way, LA does have subways.

	08-05-2005 16:25									#18
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quote: And by the way, LA does have subways.

entirely inadequate for a metropolitan area with 14 mil people in the met area, and 4 mil people in the core.

(Thanks UrbanRail.net )

Only one of those line is subway.


As to UR comment on city planning: this is very correct, but just means that one will have to invest more, not that it's impossible.

WRT China, I don't know - key factor is population density, and I figured out that the situation is ok in china ( suburbs being of medium+ density with appartment houses 5 stories high approx. rather than private homes)

	08-05-2005 16:57									#19
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What's wrong with internet hunting? If the animal is your property, why shouldn't have the right to let people use the internet to shoot at it?

	08-05-2005 17:00									#20
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I don't like hunting where people just shoot some innocent animal just for fun

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quote: Originally posted by Az quote: And by the way, LA does have subways. entirely inadequate for a metropolitan area with 14 mil people in the met area, and 4 mil people in the core. (Thanks UrbanRail.net ) Only one of those line is subway.

That's not a subway system. This is a subway system! The London Underground: 142 years old this year.

And feeling its age.

	08-05-2005 18:19									#22
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some of the lines have to be separated. I've heard that some platforms service more than one line. This shouldn't happen in a modern subway.

	08-05-2005 18:33									#23
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Why not? The big stations that have multiple lines are built to handle it. There's spatial separation between lines (these stations extend deep into the earth) and take pressure off further out platforms that aren't built in the same way. Besides, the London Underground moves a lot of people and having one platform connect to multiple lines makes transfers and trips easier.

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quote: Originally posted by Az Tube some of the lines have to be separated. I've heard that some platforms service more than one line. This shouldn't happen in a modern subway.

Well that's 'cos it ain't modern- it's Victorian.

I suspect you're referring to the Circle Line (yellow) and to the Hammersmith and City Line (salmon-pink in colour) which shares parts of the District Line (green) at certain times of the day (most often the peak commuting hours).


And of course to the Northern Line, which has a part time share with the direct line to Hell.


I seem to recall Los Angeles once had an integrated public transport system, but collusion between oil and car companies brought about its wrack and ruin.

	08-05-2005 18:37									#25
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But it also makes maximum frequency of trains lower.

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Unfortunately, the entire US was not built for public transports. Otherwise, the city planning would be a whole lot different. Even more unfortunately, Chinese cities are getting to be like that.

It is disturbing that most cities in Europe have extensive public transport systems but the Americans seem to be a long way behind...it will be a shame if the Chinese are going to have the same problem and all the pollution that will produce...

	08-05-2005 18:46									#27
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quote: I suspect you're referring to the Circle Line (yellow) and to the Hammersmith and City Line (salmon-pink in colour) which shares parts of the District Line (green) at certain times of the day (most often the peak commuting hours).

The former one. Actually, I've experienced that myself on my visit to London, come to think about it.

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There was a cool program where they made new lines for London subway.. they had this huge drill, that was the size of the damn line, and it just drilled new lines It was nuts! And it was pretty accurate job to be done, since it was close to other lines, and all the crap that's under London so not an easy task.

PH, depends. Our praised public transport is actually joke of a subway (worse than in LA) in Helsinki, and then busses in the biggest cities. Oh and few train lines. That's it. The best part of it is that it's most often cheaper to go with your own car than use these .

If you don't live in Helsinki.. you don't have a public transportation. SO... it's .. a.. myth .. In Helsinki it works though, not too bad at all. But I've seen this working better (outside Helsinki) in ALL US cities I've been into, and believe me I've been to a lot of them. LA was kind of streching it though.. it sucked in there as well. NY? Buuut then again I've seen working transportation in Europe. For example Sweden etc.

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quote: Originally posted by Az some of the lines have to be separated. I've heard that some platforms service more than one line. This shouldn't happen in a modern subway.

It happens in Stuttgart too (a very modern subway, and I hear it's one of the best in the world), and it's actually very convenient. Most of the subways that share a platform also have the same itinerary in the city-core (making them "the same line" for all intent and purposes in the city core), and go in separate direction only once in the suburbs.

	08-05-2005 19:40									#30
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I know what you mean. I am just saying what the results are - a much reduced service back when the lines split.