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Shi Huangdi is offline Shi Huangdi
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This is really saddening how fundamentalists in certain parts of our country are messing up our education systems. Apparently, now they are moving on from trying to bring religion from disucssion of evolution/creation over to explicity discussing theology as part of the sex-ed curriculum. And of course, these Fundies are only using theology to support their own view of sexuality, presenting only one side of the theological issue and ignoring the viewpoints of the many denominations which don't hold to that view. They even go so far as to speak favorably of the religious denominations which hold to their point of view and speking unfavorably of a religious denomination that doesn't. Apparently, these Fundies have lost all concept of seperation of Church and State.

What's even more sickening to me is that this is happening in my home county of Montgomery County, MD. Here is an excrept for a material which they will be distributing on teaching about homosexuality:

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Myth: Homosexuality is a sin.

Fact: The bible contains 6 passages that condemn homosexual behavior. The bible also contains numerous passages that condemn heterosexual behavior. Theologians and Biblical scholars continue to differ on many Biblical interpretations. They agree on one thing, however. Jesus said absolutely nothing at all about homosexuality. Among the many things deemed an abomination are adultery, incest, wearing clothing made from more than one kind of fiber, and eating shellfish, like shrimp and lobster. Religion has often been misused to justify hatred and oppression. Less than half a century ago, Baptist churches (among others) in this country defended racial segregation on the basis that it was condoned by the Bible. Early Christians were not hostile to homosexuals. Intolerance became the dominant attitude only after the Twelfth Century. Today, many people no longer tolerate generalizations about homosexuality as pathology or sin. Few would condemn heterosexuality as immoral - despite the high incidence of rape, incest, child abuse, adultery, family violence, promiscuity, and venereal disease among heterosexuals. Fortunately, many within organized religions are beginning to address the homophobia of the church. The National Council of Churches of Christ, the Union of American Hebrew Congregations, the Unitarian Universalist Association, the Society of Friends (Quakers), and the Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches support full civil rights for gay men and lesbians, as they do for everyone else.


Well, ther you have it, they are talking about their religious view of sexuality and giving their own interpretation of Christianity, and teaching it in a public school. If we keep following this track, we'll end up just like those gun-toting, bible-thumping rednecks across the river in Fairfax County, VA. Fortunately, a judge has put a restraining order on the school board temporarily.

Here is a Washington Post article with some more background about the issue at hand:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...50601648_2.html

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I agree with you, though your attempt at a troll is poor. Schools have no business teaching interpretations of religion.

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They shouldn't be teaching religion: they should be denouncing it!

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One example does not a movement make

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While thy shouldn't be teaching biblical interpretation in school, I cannot help but be sympathetic to their cause. Let's face it, there is something ethically wrong with classifying a group of people as inherently sinful, without any regard for their actions. So in my opinion, they shouldn't be talking about the bible at all, but should talk about the declaration of independence and the principles America was founded on. Hopefully, they're take the injunction as an opportunity to do just this.

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I stand by my position that schools should teach useful stuff and not bullshit.

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You must be delusional if you think this is just an isolated incident. School boards across the country are thinking of ways to get Creationism in public schools. Fortunetly the courts have been there, but that doesn't stop the boards.

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They should look to the UK before doing this, a nation where Religious Education being on the national curriculum has resulted in a coutry of atheists and agnostics.

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I agree

the worst thing for religion is to be the state religion

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discussing theology as part of the sex-ed curriculum
what does god have to do with sex?

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a coutry of atheists and agnostics.
all western countries are full of atheists and agnostics

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Don't you have an Orthadox service to be attending?

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what does god have to do with sex?


Apparently you've never had great sex.

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The school is completely out of its element here. It doesn't have to prop up its own interpretation of religion

However, I think schools should do a serious job of teaching religions as part of the curriculum (as a subset of history courses). The history of religious beliefs is the most accessible way to teach the pupils that history isn't merely the name of war X and king Y.

Besides, when you become educated about religions, you're more likely to have an informed opinion on your spirituality (this doesn't necessarily mean atheism)

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*sigh* in montgomery county of all places. this does suck. and i dont care which kind of fundie is doing this, and i don't care if the beliefs they espouse are similar to mine, you don't bring religion into the classroom. Also, I think their little history there might be a bit misleading...

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The only place religion belongs is in the history books

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Well, ther you have it, they are talking about their religious view of sexuality and giving their own interpretation of Christianity, and teaching it in a public school. If we keep following this track, we'll end up just like those gun-toting, bible-thumping rednecks across the river in Fairfax County, VA. Fortunately, a judge has put a restraining order on the school board temporarily.


Screw you, liberal Maryland swine!

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Don't you have an Orthadox service to be attending?
i went to the easter service last week, that's enough for a year!

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Apparently you've never had great sex.
that line may have worked for you on theology girls, still....

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You must be delusional if you think this is just an isolated incident. School boards across the country are thinking of ways to get Creationism in public schools. Fortunetly the courts have been there, but that doesn't stop the boards.


Erm, I don't think that's what EmpFab meant. I think he was referring to this *particular* type of religious interference, which is a far, far cry from Creationism. If you read the actual article carefully.

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It's still not the public school's job to be teaching people how to interpret the Bible.

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I agree with you, though your attempt at a troll is poor. Schools have no business teaching interpretations of religion.


Except in classes on comparitive religions and/or philosophies.

For example, there is great wisdom in the Sermon on the Mount. We should not ignore it merely because it was uttered by a religious figure and not by Plato or Spinoza.

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Is comparative religion class all that common in high school? And the Sermon on the Mount is not great philosophy. I could see teaching St. Augistine or Aquinas, but not Jeshua ben Joseph.

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It's still not the public school's job to be teaching people how to interpret the Bible.


Didn't say otherwise, but the point was this particular example is probably a pretty rare one. Most such attempts come from a different direction.

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They'll get sued and told to stop their illegal behavior.

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Is comparative religion class all that common in high school?


Yes.

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How do you talk about religion without giving an interpretation of it?

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Except in classes on comparitive religions and/or philosophies.

For example, there is great wisdom in the Sermon on the Mount. We should not ignore it merely because it was uttered by a religious figure and not by Plato or Spinoza.



I agree with you on this.

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Yes.


Just your high school or is it actually common?

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I agree with you on this.


Do you know anything about philosphy?

 
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