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Dr Zoidberg is offline Dr Zoidberg

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A female friend of mine is having a drinking problem. But when I confront her with it she´s yelling at me and says that I have the problem. She´s doing quite allright by her own standards. It´s come to a point where I might have to end our friendship because I can´t stand here when she´s drunk. Tonight we were at a quiz night a english pub in my neighborhood, and she already started the night at home with some wine. So she´s already quite drunk when she gets there. And three pints later she can hardly stand up straight or have a conversation (not to mention follow the quiz). She gets out before the quiz has ended and heads for Burger King. Me and the other guy in the quiz team leave soon afterwards, the quiz is shot to hell anyway I hook up with her at BK and tell her that I want to go home because the quiz and the annoyingly rowdy crowd at the pub has ruined my mood, which is at least partly true - before I knew she was already drunk I proposed a pint at our favourite pub further down the street. Something I´m definitely not in the mood for now.

The thing is I don´t feel at all comfortable with her when she´s drunk. And she is ruining the quiz which is supposed to be a good time with some mates and a few pints. Instead I´m just sitting there worrying that she´s drinking too much. A bit self centered perhaps, but true nevertheless.

And as I mentioned above she gets real defensive when I say that I think that she drinks too much. But she does. She´s always got to have that last beer even though she almost always has one or two beers more than me. She gets real drunk real quick when earlier she was something of a bottomless pit. Classic signs of alcoholism, right?

My biggest worry is that it´s not unlikely that she tells me to take a hike if I put her on the spot and make her choose between me and the booze. And that I don´t want because when she´s not drunk she´s really nice and I really like hanging out with her. And to complicate the matter further I´m somewhat in love with her and have been since we met for the first time, four years ago. She knows that and she´s cool with it, but I´m pretty sure she uses it from time to time. I want to be with here no matter what, and she knows that. We spend a lot of time together, and she rarely socializes with others (she´s got other friends). And since my oldest friend moved to Australia just the other day, she´s one of two close friends left.

Anyway, what the **** can I do? You can´t change another person, that´s for sure.

Comments, suggestions, smart remarks?

Edit: Sorry for the rambling...

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Lancer is offline Lancer
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Take a hike. Really.

Lawrence of Arabia is offline Lawrence of Arabia
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i say phuckit. you cant force anyone to change. you offered your help and advice, she says no, so its time to bail out. nothing you can do. you fulfilled your obligation as a friend.

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LoA, didn't I just say that?

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ohh tought one here. she dont see she has a problem. most folks that get drunk all the time dont realize that are messing things up. Y ou have 2 options try to talk to her again non confronting and see if you ca get her to slow down tell her u like to have drinks with her but hate it whe she is sloshed drunk. or two walk away and inform other friends she has a problem and see if they can help. ur not really walking away but rather invloving other folks that care about her to try and intervene

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Yeah, the smart thing would be to bail out. But I don´t really want to, she means to much to me. I just wish she would listen to me, just once you know...

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Comments, suggestions, smart remarks?



Comment: You seem a bit obsessed about the quiz failing to go exactly as you'd like it to.

Suggestion(s) Relax, tell your friend you think she had a drink problem and needs help, if she does n't agree with you then at least you've tried.

Smart remark: Next time she gets too pissed to see straight, you and your mate spit roast her over the bins behind the back of Burger King.

Lawrence of Arabia is offline Lawrence of Arabia
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LoA, didn't I just say that


well, you have a credibility issue, being in the navy and all, so I figured backing you up with lend more weight to your statement.

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Did you tell her when
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Mrs T, I will call here tomorrow and propose we talk over a cup of coffee. If she tells me to go **** myself after I put forth my concern and suggestions on a different behaviour at least I gave it one last honest try. You can´t do more than your best, right?

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Take a hike. Really.

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what do quizzes have to do with pubs?

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Depends. If she's partying and you're being a foreigner type of person who thinks everyone is a drunk who gets smashed every now and then, then you should just grow up.

BUT if she really is getting smashed pretty much all the time and it affects her life in other areas as well, as well as your friendship, then she definitely has a problem.

You have to ask yourself. Are you willing to help her out? If she truly has an alcohol problem, it's not very simple. She could never get over it. You could end up using all your energy just to get all the crap on you. So.. you need to ask yourself, how much do you care for her and be honest. If you honestly care for her, then you should not leave her. If you're not sure, then you should take a hike.

So you decided to stay, what to do? First thing is you need to make her realize she has a problem. Before that, nothing is possible. To do that, you have to point out how alcohol usage is affecting her life outside partying. That happens when she is sober. No use trying to talk sense when she's drinking. You'll just get a bunch of crap on you. Not doing any good for either of you. So you must make her see how much damage she is doing to herself.

That's the only way you can move forward to help her. Then, you must be supporting her every time she goes and blows it all up and how everything is your fault. Just take it, and drop it in the trash bin, it's likely not meant to you anyway.

In fact, you shouldn't even read more. Make a decision. Stay with her side, or leave her. If you stay, the only thing you need to be focusing on is being her friend and trying to make her see that it's a problem, and it's affecting her life in negative ways. And don't be a little investigative annoying person all the time. Be her friend.

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You can save the damsel from a tiger or slithering snake in the grass. You can fight off the black knight bent on rape and mayhem with the fair lady, but from the damsel you can not save the damsel. You can however save yourself by forgetting about her.

Take a hike.

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what do quizzes have to do with pubs?


it's a Brit thang

Dr Zoidberg is offline Dr Zoidberg

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Smart remark: Next time she gets too pissed to see straight, you and your mate spit roast her over the bins behind the back of Burger King.


Dude, seriously... I said smart remark, not a ****ing bad taste one...

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no you cant.if u cant get to her yourself, thats when you get other frinds involved and try them to help you help her if that dont work is when you have to realize you need to let her hit the bottom and ask for help.

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And since you're dealing with women, you need to be like a woman. I mean, that you need to make her think she realized it herself, not you telling it point blank. Works better. But you need to make it happen. She needs to have a moment where she really looks in the mirror and thinks that this is going way too far. And then you come in right there.

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Bring a video camera, record her behaviour, and show her when she's sober. Might open her eyes if she's as thoroughly sloshed as you say she is.

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You can save the damsel from a tiger or slithering snake in the grass. You can fight off the black knight bent on rape and mayhem with the fair lady, but from the damsel you can not save the damsel. You can however save yourself by forgetting about her.

Take a hike.




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Yes, I have. On numerous occasions...

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The problem is, right now, she needs the alcohol, so anything that threatens to come between her and the liquor is going to be perceived as a threat.

You have two choices, you can be an enabler or you can take a hard line. Drose's suggestion is a good place to start, though.

There's also the evil option.

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Originally posted by Pekka
Depends. If she's partying and you're being a foreigner type of person who thinks everyone is a drunk who gets smashed every now and then, then you should just grow up.

BUT if she really is getting smashed pretty much all the time and it affects her life in other areas as well, as well as your friendship, then she definitely has a problem.

You have to ask yourself. Are you willing to help her out? If she truly has an alcohol problem, it's not very simple. She could never get over it. You could end up using all your energy just to get all the crap on you. So.. you need to ask yourself, how much do you care for her and be honest. If you honestly care for her, then you should not leave her. If you're not sure, then you should take a hike.

So you decided to stay, what to do? First thing is you need to make her realize she has a problem. Before that, nothing is possible. To do that, you have to point out how alcohol usage is affecting her life outside partying. That happens when she is sober. No use trying to talk sense when she's drinking. You'll just get a bunch of crap on you. Not doing any good for either of you. So you must make her see how much damage she is doing to herself.

That's the only way you can move forward to help her. Then, you must be supporting her every time she goes and blows it all up and how everything is your fault. Just take it, and drop it in the trash bin, it's likely not meant to you anyway.

In fact, you shouldn't even read more. Make a decision. Stay with her side, or leave her. If you stay, the only thing you need to be focusing on is being her friend and trying to make her see that it's a problem, and it's affecting her life in negative ways. And don't be a little investigative annoying person all the time. Be her friend.


Good solid advice, Pekka. Thanks

Che, and the evil option is...?

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hahah yeah, i was thinking about the evil option chegitz.

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Pekka's advice about the camera might be good, but she can't be aware that she's being filmed else she'd argue "But I did/said that because of the camera!"

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Dude, seriously... I said smart remark, not a ****ing bad taste one...


Smart remark/ bad taste. It's all relative.

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Che, and the evil option is...?


Screwing her when she's drunk.

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hahahah yeah, youve got guts to say that. everyones gonna jump on you now. i thought it crossed the line so i stayed quiet.

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"Screwing her when she's drunk."

Black knights abound.

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I said it was evil. Did you think I was kidding?

 
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