07-07-2005 14:47									#481
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia maybe they should - that way they could score a goal against liverpool in the next champions league.

Chelsea's record against Liverpool last season:

Won 3 Drew 1 Lost 1
Chelsea Scored 5
Liverpool Scored 3

Premiership
Chelsea 1 - 0 Liverpool
Liverpool 0 - 1 Chelsea

Carling Cup

Chelsea 3 - 2 Liverpool (AET)

Champions League

Chelsea 0 - 1 Liverpool
Liverpool 0 - 0 Chelsea

Also Chelsea finished 30 points ahead of them in the league. Makalele was one of their players of the season.

So in summary - you have no idea what you are talking about.

	07-07-2005 14:47									#482
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Theres no way Zidane runs enough to play DM or CM effectively now.

	07-07-2005 14:48									#483
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora Theres no way Zidane runs enough to play DM or CM effectively now.

For carrying the ball and passing though, he is one of the best.

	07-07-2005 14:52									#484
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia or they could elminate that position and get another striker, because its touggh when youre out there all alone and they give you the ball.

You ever watched Chelsea? If you did you'd know that Robben and Duff are basically forwards too, just wide ones.

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger For carrying the ball and passing though, he is one of the best.

Those arent the only traits you need to play DM or CM effectively though. You need to get up and down the field, especially CM, pressing for the ball in DM.

As i said, he doesnt have the traits now to play DM or CM.

By the way the new thread should definitely be FOOTBALL, UR can ban anyone that cant read.

	07-07-2005 15:53									#486
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zidane is a totally different type of player to makalele, anyone who's seen them play can see that.

	07-07-2005 23:02									#487
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yeah, zidane is bald!

quote: You ever watched Chelsea? If you did you'd know that Robben and Duff are basically forwards too, just wide ones.

yeah i watch chelsea. i know how the system works. unfortunately many times, robben and duff cannot get up the field fast enough. the ball always runs faster then a player and you need someone up there to play with the striker when you play a fast offensive style.

and with five midfielders, the opposing team can play the ball up one side consistenly and keep that midfielder constantly on defense and take him out of the game (just look at gerrard in the champions league final, he played defense for much of the match)

quote: Chelsea's record against Liverpool last season: Won 3 Drew 1 Lost 1 Chelsea Scored 5 Liverpool Scored 3 Premiership Chelsea 1 - 0 Liverpool Liverpool 0 - 1 Chelsea Carling Cup Chelsea 3 - 2 Liverpool (AET) Champions League Chelsea 0 - 1 Liverpool Liverpool 0 - 0 Chelsea Also Chelsea finished 30 points ahead of them in the league. Makalele was one of their players of the season. So in summary - you have no idea what you are talking about.

so in other words the richest club in the league, a club where money is no object, loses to a club who has spend millions less, in the champions league when it matters the most because they didnt have good enough strikers.

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger if you are a CM though you play both DM and AM.

Sort of, but not always. Zidane seems like a CM who focuses more on the attack (when he plays CM).

Makalele is a DM through and through.

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	08-07-2005 05:05									#490
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Bellamy goes to Blackburn:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headli...=336695&cc=5901

For 5 million pounds!

Souness got good value out of him in the transfer market.

	08-07-2005 05:16									#491
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After watching him act like a complete asswipe against Yeading in the FA cup last season, ill enjoy watching his career slowly go down the pan.

	08-07-2005 05:22									#492
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Yep... it's amazing how careers that start out with such promise can go to **** so quickly. Though it happens a good deal with clubhouse cancers.

Oh, in other Prem news, the Hotspur sign Robinson to a deal that ends in 2010.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headli...=336692&cc=5901

	08-07-2005 05:49									#493
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It was never in doubt that he'd sign, he loves the club. Strange though that it ends in 2010 when its a 7 year contract.

	08-07-2005 18:01									#494
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia so in other words the richest club in the league, a club where money is no object, loses to a club who has spend millions less, in the champions league when it matters the most because they didnt have good enough strikers.

Your previous point was that their system was bad, now it's that their strikers weren't good enough? Well yeah, they don't have a really world class striker like you'd expect from a top team. That's a totally different point though.

And you have probably noticed the stories linking Chelsea with just about every striker in the world?

If you look over the last 10 years Chelsea's total spending isn't much higher than Liverpools.

Anyone can lose in a knockout competition. Liverpool defended for the whole of both matches and barely mounted an attack, it was extremely negative.

Chelsea'd have won if Robben was fit - FACT!

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quote: Your previous point was that their system was bad, now it's that their strikers weren't good enough? Well yeah, they don't have a really world class striker like you'd expect from a top team. That's a totally different point though.

well yeah, I think they got hand in hand. Drogba isnt good enough to play up front all alone against the entire defense of another team, and this is because the system doesnt allow him to have someone up there to spread them out. when you dont have a world class striker, then you must have a system that comspensates for that, and a must better team.

quote: And you have probably noticed the stories linking Chelsea with just about every striker in the world? If you look over the last 10 years Chelsea's total spending isn't much higher than Liverpools.

yeah on both, Chelsea was in the shitter until Abrahamovich took over and started spending. They do have Crespo on loan, I would recall him as soon as possible (have them already, I know they were talking about it) if I was chelsea. The guy is a stud. and they got rid of Kezman.

however, THE SWISS LEAGUE IS ABOUT TO START UP AGAIN, but Servette, the newly bankrupt team, restarting in the first league, with all new players (mostly)

Will they challenege for the swiss cup? will they finish in the top two slots? probably not! but who cares? ill be getting discount tickets to their three year old stadium!

	08-07-2005 23:52									#496
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quote: this is because the system doesnt allow him to have someone up there to spread them out. when you dont have a world class striker, then you must have a system that comspensates for that, and a must better team.

Well they did set the record for most points in a Prem season, how much of a better team do you think they should be?

Sure they need a world class striker, but they are still an amazing squad without one.

	09-07-2005 03:09									#497
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quote: Well they did set the record for most points in a Prem season, how much of a better team do you think they should be? Sure they need a world class striker, but they are still an amazing squad without one.

sure, but they didnt win champions league, or FA cup and with the amount of good players they have, they should be sweeping every year. (manchester united did it once at the top of their game)

	09-07-2005 03:20									#498
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It was also their first year of Mourinho, Cech, Robben, as well as other integral pieces. If it continues to be a problem, then you have a valid gripe, but for now, it's premature.

	09-07-2005 03:25									#499
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chelsea were the best team in england last year, the league table speaks for itself. the great thing about cup competitions though, like the FA cup and champions league, is that you get surprise results, those bits of luck and controversey that make football that game that it is.

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Chelsea is doing the right thing, getting rid of some of the dead weight. Kezman and Parker where quite obviously not much more than backup players from the start.

Kezman is the kind of striker that makes a million goals in a league bot often fails to adapt to the game in a better league. No offense, but the defensive qualities in the premier is a hell of a lot better than in the dutch league. And then there's Scott Parker, what was he thinking? Probably not at all, english footballers seldom do. Now, they only need to get rid of Glen Johnson too.

But you don't win buy getting rid of second rank players, they must have a world class striker, that's almost to obvious to point out. Maybe they can talk Zola out of retirement?

However, Chelsea is hardly the only club that has failed with that. Seems to me like ManYoo 49:ers have made a good choice in Park, but they should get Lee too. Excellent players.

	09-07-2005 03:58									#501
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Maybe they want the rest of PSV too

Chelsea's done well. The policy is there to make this a strong team with great depth and longevity. They were beaten by Liverpool due to red discipline, and the rareness of wingers to support their strategy.

Which was perfectly fine

	09-07-2005 04:26									#502
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quote: Maybe they want the rest of PSV too

Well that isn't a bad strategy, mind .

	09-07-2005 04:35									#503
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It's easier to just hire Guus

	11-07-2005 14:56									#504
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http://www.apolyton.net/forums/show...threadid=136208

New thread.

	18-07-2005 04:14									#505
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Why hasn't this been locked yet?