09-07-2005 15:37									#361
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

I wanted to keep the AI battles grinding along, and also get
away from the usual CIV2 'Axis conquer all' mentality...

I hope it is not too hard/extreme to fight as the Reich?

	10-07-2005 03:06									#362
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Version v5 - UPDATE!

Newest version uploaded - With changes as suggested recently by Agricola!

Please give it a bash!

http://www.evo-games.net/Home/viewt...p?p=12802#12802

Let me know what you think...

If this playtest passes muster, this version will be the final Dictator ToT!

	10-07-2005 06:08									#363
	Increase Your PM Length

Alright, Curt, I've just started your scen as the Japanese, and already I've noticed two discrepancies. First, why is Bangkok a Commonwealth city? Songgram Phibun, Thailand's Prime Minister at the time, was a staunch ally of Japan, and eyed lands in Burma, Malaya, and Indo-China himself. Second, I don't recall hearing or reading of China having a significant air force (and certainly not at the level you have) before American aid started coming in. I'll get back with more when I have it.

	10-07-2005 09:23									#364
	Get a bigger avatar today!

There's also a heck of a lot of fortresses...well, everywhere!

I presume you intended to rename them "Stackable" and make them invisible?

	10-07-2005 11:42									#365
	Put an end to popups!

Great looking scenario!

I just played a bit as the Japanese on diety. Very very tough to crack into China. Just one thought on game play... I don't see why a player would ever build the Val dive bomber, as it has the exact same stats as the Zero but with worse defense. The Val should have worse defense than the zero, though. But, perhaps, giving it 2 firepower like its German cousin the Stuka would be more appropriate.

	10-07-2005 12:55									#366
	Get a bigger avatar today!

I noticed the Val thing, too, but forgot to mention it.

	10-07-2005 13:05									#367
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I'm taking another shot at Germany.
Let's see if it can move a bit faster this time.

BTW, I assume that it is OK to load medium bombers in a city onto a carrier for transport across the ocean. Carrier landings and take-offs would, of course, be impossible for these large aircraft.

	10-07-2005 15:17									#368
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

The cities file should have the fortress blanked!

Please install this file if you see forts everywhere!

Attachment: cities.zip
This has been downloaded 5 time(s).

	10-07-2005 15:19									#369
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by AGRICOLA I'm taking another shot at Germany. Let's see if it can move a bit faster this time. BTW, I assume that it is OK to load medium bombers in a city onto a carrier for transport across the ocean. Carrier landings and take-offs would, of course, be impossible for these large aircraft.

The choice to load twin-engine bombers is choice you can make, and as I
am not one for house rules, but if you wish a restriction, only load up one bomber.

More than that, well, let your conscience decide!



Sticking B-17s and Avros onto a carrier would be pushing it, however!

	10-07-2005 15:26									#370
	Tired of ads?

quote: Originally posted by rmsharpe There's also a heck of a lot of fortresses...well, everywhere! I presume you intended to rename them "Stackable" and make them invisible?

Did you install 'all' the files? -

	10-07-2005 15:40									#371
	Tired of ads?

quote: Originally posted by Kugelregen Great looking scenario! I just played a bit as the Japanese on diety. Very very tough to crack into China. Just one thought on game play... I don't see why a player would ever build the Val dive bomber, as it has the exact same stats as the Zero but with worse defense. The Val should have worse defense than the zero, though. But, perhaps, giving it 2 firepower like its German cousin the Stuka would be more appropriate.

I tried to scale back the Japanese air potency, I will take another look at the Val.

Feel free to use these stats...

D3A Val, nil, 1, 6.,2, 7a,1d, 4h,2f, 5,0, 0, Fli, 000000001000001

	11-07-2005 03:31									#372
	Full PM-box? Change here!

quote: Originally posted by Curtsibling The choice to load twin-engine bombers is choice you can make, and as I am not one for house rules, but if you wish a restriction, only load up one bomber. More than that, well, let your conscience decide!

As I don't have much of conscience, maybe history should be the deciding factor. IIRC, there were 16 B-25's on the Hornet for the Doolittle raid. I'd guess that the ship could carry at least four times that number if there was no need to leave room for takeoffs. If one icon represents a squadron of planes, there should be room for 4 of them on a carrier.

Captain, get the big birds hoisted up onto the flight deck.

	11-07-2005 14:49									#373
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Good luck when landing in China!

	11-07-2005 15:29									#374
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

No, no! I meant it when I said no carrier take-offs or landings. This type of ferry can only operate between port cities. Germany cannot afford one-way missions.

Besides,

1. Our Japanese allies have dibs on China.
2. Wir fahren gegen Amerika.

	13-07-2005 04:47									#375
	Increase the size of your Attachments

I had an interesting idea to cover the potential stackable naval problems.

When a transport is sunk in stacked oceans, it might leave orphaned units sitting in the sea...

Well I got thinking and wondered if I gave the land units the 'Trireme lost at sea' flag
and also increased the chance of the Trireme being lost to 1x1, which means 100% loss rate...



This would represent the stranded units being lost at sea while in lifeboats, etc...

I wonder if this will work?

...

	13-07-2005 05:20									#376
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I'm afraid not

1) You'd actually need to move those units (ie, wake them up and hit spacebar)

2) Certain techs (Ast, Nav IIRC) lower this chance.

3) AI's trireme's don't sink anyway

	13-07-2005 14:27									#377
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

The stranded land units in the sea do not sleep in ToT, it seems.

The intention is that the player will lose these units when he hits the space bar...

I guess the AI will cheat, but you can always sink the units!

	16-07-2005 17:23									#378
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Curt, here's the Bofors AA you ordered. Bit quick and dirty, but I've got a lot on...

Attachment: fairline bofors aa gif.gif
This has been downloaded 184 time(s).

	16-07-2005 18:56									#379
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

very nice,

	17-07-2005 07:07									#380
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by curtsibling The stranded land units in the sea do not sleep in ToT, it seems. The intention is that the player will lose these units when he hits the space bar... I guess the AI will cheat, but you can always sink the units!

If they don't sleep in ToT, then I suppose it could be good... However, take into account that several techs reduce this chance.

If it's intended for humans players only, then I'd put it as a house rule to disband them, otherwise, if for some odd occurrence they don't 'get lost at sea' (if the ship is sunk next to shore), then they might think they can go rescue them.

	17-07-2005 20:47									#381
	Put an end to popups!

Then the rescue ships serve as target prctice for your submarines!

	17-07-2005 23:44									#382
	Support Apolyton

the AI will probably be too dumb to rescue them. He intends to do it for the human player.

	20-07-2005 15:54									#383
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Been doing some intense playing in the last week!

Yep, the survival rate for stranded units is about 0% - !

The AI will ALWAYS go for these units, no matter what.

Dictator is almost ready now, I just have to complete my final playtest...
I should say that the 3rd Reich are going to be a bit of a challenge to fight against this time...

...But also still fun to play as!

	22-07-2005 05:46									#384
	Increase Your PM Length

The test went a treat!

With the new overall unit stats and the re-alligned civs,
the whole balance of the scenario has reached a good level.

The Axis are a now real powerhouse to be feared...
Japan is a relentless foe and performed the best out
of all the AI empires, the British and USA being very
daring in their attacks, and the USSR fought insanely.


In 1941, I watched as the AI 3rd Reich ploughed into the USSR,
taking over Moscow and Leningrad around mid/late 1942.

Also the Brits held out nicely and enabled the USA to bring in
some awesome attacks that culminated in France falling in late 1943!

during 1944 and 1945, the Japanese and Soviets slugged it
out and the Allies eventually took over Cologne and Berlin -

This defeat ended evil Adolf's War...But I have never seen such a struggle!



Now it is 1946 and I watch as the American and Japanese
air forces slug it out over the devastation of Soviet Siberia!

Now I think this project is ready to roll...
The bugs are ironed out, the events tuned, and the AI seems to
now behave as best as I can force it to. The advice given to me
by the fine posters in this thread have paid dividends...



I deem this WW2 epic is now all it was meant to be!

So before the week is out, I will post up the final zips and share this war with you!

	22-07-2005 05:51									#385
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by fairline Curt, here's the Bofors AA you ordered. Bit quick and dirty, but I've got a lot on...

Holy cremole!

I only noticed this post just now - Fairline, these are more than perfect!

I only hope you don't think I ignored such excellent work!

And let me say that your work has been the main force behind this project, sah!

I raise a red bull in your honour!

x 1000

	22-07-2005 11:06									#386
	Increase Your PM Length

quote: Originally posted by curtsibling Now I think this project is ready to roll... The bugs are ironed out, the events tuned, and the AI seems to now behave as best as I can force it to. The advice given to me by the fine posters in this thread have paid dividends... I deem this WW2 epic is now all it was meant to be! So before the week is out, I will post up the final zips and share this war with you!

Wonderful news Curt!

I'll have to set aside fantasy for a while just to kick some WWII butts...

	24-07-2005 08:21									#387
	Got spare money?

Sounds like a wonderful scenario, just from reading all the reports. Wish I could have helped with the testing (or is it not too late?).

~Six

	24-07-2005 17:26									#388
	Increase Your PM Length

The final test version will be out soon, and I will post a link, so feel free!

	24-07-2005 17:29									#389
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by curtsibling The final test version will be out soon

	24-07-2005 19:18									#390
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Cheers, bro - !

I have had some expert help getting this thing together!

Namely all of you fellows at SL!