16-05-2005 02:16									#61
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chewey chocolate cookies

	16-05-2005 02:40									#62
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Thanks for the recipe. Just some questions:

The temperature I can calculate from F to C. But how much is a "cup"? Also, is a tablespoon one of those you'd eat a plate of soup with? The rest can be arranged, just not today anymore. I'll make those cookies on tuesday, and bring some along on wednesday when I visit that girl. BIG PLAN!

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	16-05-2005 03:14									#63
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1 tablespoon = 14.782 ccs

1 cup = 236.519 ccs

http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/conversions.htm

Remember to sift your flour first.

	16-05-2005 05:55									#64
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The US doesn't "back" Karimov per say but we do have to work with him because Uzbeckistan is the jumping off point to Afghanistan. That's how all allied troops get into and out of Afghanistan so the US does have one air base there.

	16-05-2005 06:00									#65
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I'm still trying to figure out why this is the US's fault.

	16-05-2005 06:02									#66
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I know how you feel, Oerdin. I don't get it either

	16-05-2005 06:06									#67
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It's painfully obvious. Since we have a base there, he's a puppet ruler and does nothing without our OK.

	16-05-2005 06:06									#68
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oh!

...

I still don't get it

	16-05-2005 06:08									#69
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Neither do I. But that seems to be the gist of the arguement tying us to this.

	16-05-2005 06:10									#70
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Who exactly said the killings were the US' fault?

	16-05-2005 06:11									#71
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The person who made the OP. You for another.

	16-05-2005 06:14									#72
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I pinpointed that Uzbekistan was in your sphere of influence, instead of Russia's. JohnMcLeod made similar comments.

I don't see how we said that the US are the ones behind the killings, which is how Blackcat and you are charicaturing us.

	16-05-2005 06:27									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I pinpointed that Uzbekistan was in your sphere of influence, instead of Russia's.

I suppose it shows the US' effectivity at earning and keeping satellites, in comparison with Russia's

You'll have to forgive people for jumping to conclusions.

	16-05-2005 06:31									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I pinpointed that Uzbekistan was in your sphere of influence, instead of Russia's. JohnMcLeod made similar comments. I don't see how we said that the US are the ones behind the killings, which is how Blackcat and you are charicaturing us.

A thread named "US backed Uzbekistan slaughters 200 protestors" could make you think that there may be some kind of bias. Why even mention US in this case ?

	16-05-2005 06:34									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Please point me to the massacres that happened in the 2004-2005 "wave of democracy" happening in Georgia, Ukraine, and Khyrgyzistan. I'm curious.

quote: Originally posted by ColdWizard No doubt the other former Soviet regimes mentioned handled their armed violent protesters in a much more civilized manner.

Obviously there were no massacres because Georgia, Ukraine, and Khyrgyzistan handled their armed, freedom loving, prisoner freeing, democratic protesters in a civilized way.

Georgia, Ukraine, and Khyrgyzistan:
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	16-05-2005 06:47									#76
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quote: Originally posted by ColdWizard Obviously there were no massacres because Georgia, Ukraine, and Khyrgyzistan handled their armed, freedom loving, prisoner freeing, democratic protesters in a civilized way.

Things were pretty hot on the protestors' side in Georgia (with Georgia having a wholly separatist province) and Khyrgyzistan, and the central governments could have felt justified into starting a bloodbath. Yet they didn't.

Uzbekistan has clearly behaved in a more criminal fashion than these three.

And I still don't see why you need to charicature my position about the US. In this matter, the US deserves far less thumb-downs than the Uzbek regime.

	16-05-2005 06:55									#77
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What caricature? And if there is one who says it's about your position, either in part or in entirety?

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I suppose it shows the US' effectivity at earning and keeping satellites, in comparison with Russia's You'll have to forgive people for jumping to conclusions.

The conclusion are a bit hasty don't you think?

quote: Yes, it's certainly bad to see that innocent civilians are randomlessly murdered by US weapons, especially in a country totally controlled by the US, I guess that it wasn't even the local police/military that did it but special trained US marines.

quote: Yup, it was a cunning scheme decided by Bush himself, coz everyone knows that he can't think and does stupid things.

quote: I'm still trying to figure out why this is the US's fault.

quote: It's painfully obvious. Since we have a base there, he's a puppet ruler and does nothing without our OK.

	16-05-2005 06:58									#79
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quote: Originally posted by ColdWizard What caricature? And if there is one who says it's about your position, either in part or in entirety?

The fact that your first reply to this thread was about the comparison between Uzbekistan and Georgia/Ukraine/Khyrgyzistan, which I did in the post that preceeded it immediately? Edit: also the fact that you replied to a quote of mine?

As to "what caricature?": I guess I know my opinions better than you do. And I know that it is more nuanced than you let it appear. Even if it wasn't about only my opinion, but of all of those who criticized the US in this thread, I haven't see anybody giving more thumb-downs to the US than to Uzbekistan in this matter.

	16-05-2005 06:59									#80
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Neither do I. But that seems to be the gist of the arguement tying us to this.

It does tell quite a bit about the "wave of democracy" America is trying to spread. You don't see any double standard in what happened, nothing? Truly you're impressive.

	16-05-2005 07:10									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor The conclusion are a bit hasty don't you think? quote: Yes, it's certainly bad to see that innocent civilians are randomlessly murdered by US weapons, especially in a country totally controlled by the US, I guess that it wasn't even the local police/military that did it but special trained US marines. quote: Yup, it was a cunning scheme decided by Bush himself, coz everyone knows that he can't think and does stupid things. quote: I'm still trying to figure out why this is the US's fault. quote: It's painfully obvious. Since we have a base there, he's a puppet ruler and does nothing without our OK.

I can see at least two of mine here, so I think I'm entitled to answer.

I don't think that what happened was in any way acceptable and certainly not anything that was a way to implement democracy. What I opposed was that the the thread title implied that this was to blame on the US. It was so obviously that the purpose of the thread was to blame US for the incident instead of concern for those that suffered.

	16-05-2005 07:15									#82
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat I don't think that what happened was in any way acceptable and certainly not anything that was a way to implement democracy. What I opposed hat the the thread title implied that this was to blame on the US. It was so obviously that the purpose of the thread was to blame US for the incident instead of concern for those that suffered.

I can understand why you think so, but I think this thread wasn't really about saying "it's the US fault", but that it was more about pointing out the hypocrisy of the current US policy: it claims to fight for democracy while simultaneously backing such a regime (it's not like anybody is surprised by Karimov's violence).

The US hypocrisy is even more blatant in light of the current "democracy wave" it's sponsoring.

	16-05-2005 07:38									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor The fact that your first reply to this thread was about the comparison between Uzbekistan and Georgia/Ukraine/Khyrgyzistan, which I did in the post that preceeded it immediately? Edit: also the fact that you replied to a quote of mine?

The second half of my first post was merely for comparison purposes to highlight the vileness of the Uzbekistan regime and the latter quote was an attempt to clarify such.

quote: As to "what caricature?": I guess I know my opinions better than you do. And I know that it is more nuanced than you let it appear. Even if it wasn't about only my opinion, but of all of those who criticized the US in this thread, I haven't see anybody giving more thumb-downs to the US than to Uzbekistan in this matter.

I certainly would hope that you know your opinions better than I, they are yours after all. As for whether any alleged caricature(s) inaccurately reflect your views and/or the views of others, is that not part of the definition of a caricature?

And to switch gears, does anyone have handy the amounts of aid other countries (if any) supply to Uzbekistan and whether or not they've revoked aid as a result of this atrocity and if so, by how much?

	16-05-2005 13:15									#84
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara 1 tablespoon = 14.782 ccs 1 cup = 236.519 ccs http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/conversions.htm Remember to sift your flour first.

Sift my flour? what for? that's what my mom used to do in Eastie times when we had commie flour, but the flour we get nowadays is pure. kept dry, it'll be smooth too so no need to I wouldn't see any need to sift it there?

	16-05-2005 13:30									#85
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damn evil commie flour!

	16-05-2005 13:33									#86
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It was just that sometimes there'd be black little insects in there. You might remember from Gruzynia...

	16-05-2005 13:39									#87
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Protein

	16-05-2005 14:24									#88
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quote: Originally posted by johncmcleod Uzbekistan is US backed because it's a key energy source. I think it's more that than the US having a base there.

Yea, we're going to build that pipeline any day now. Any day now.

What are we building?

A pipeline!

When are we going to build it?

Real soon!

	16-05-2005 14:25									#89
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Do you have the rest of the ingredients? Do you know how to cook?

If he has the main brownie ingredient then these questions assume a smaller importance.

	16-05-2005 16:49									#90
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Doesn't Russia Maintain bases and troops in Uzbekistan as well as the US? Why aren't you guys jumping up and down Russia's ass as well?