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johncmcleod
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Coeur d'Alene, ID, USA
Jan 2002
time: 21:20
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From http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news...tan&floc=NW_1-T
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Troops, Protesters Killed in Uzbek Clashes
By BAGILA BUKHARBAYEVA
ANDIJAN, Uzbekistan (AP) - Thousands of terrified Uzbeks fled for the border Saturday but hundreds angrily returned to the square where police fired on demonstrators to put down an uprising against country's authoritarian U.S.-allied leader. A human rights monitor said about 200 people were killed.
Uzbek President Islam Karimov said 10 government troops and "many more'' protesters were killed but refused to be more specific. He spoke at a news conference in the capital Tashkent a day after the unprecedented clashes in his tightly controlled country, which he has led since before the 1991 Soviet collapse.
In the eastern city of Andijan, hundreds of protesters gathered at the square, displaying the bodies of six people killed in Friday's bloodshed and tearfully denouncing the government.
"Our women and children are dying,'' said Daniyar Akbarov, 24, who claimed to have seen at least 300 people killed in the violence.
Big military trucks loaded with soldiers cruised the streets and troops backed by armored vehicles surrounded the heavily fortified police headquarters.
Earlier, soldiers loaded scores of bodies of those killed onto four trucks and a bus after blocking friends and relatives from collecting them, witnesses said.
Lutfulo Shamsutdinov, the head of the Independent Human Rights Organization of Uzbekistan, said he saw about 200 victims being loaded onto trucks near the square in Andijan, the fourth-largest city with a population of 350,000.
Another witness who declined to be named said "many, many dead bodies'' were stacked up by a school near the square. The city's hospital was cordoned off and officials could not be reached for casualty figures.
An AP reporter said she saw at least 30 bodies. All had been shot, and at least one had his skull smashed. She said there were large pools of blood and hundreds of spent cartridges on the streets.
A group of foreign journalists was detained early Saturday and told to leave the city immediately.
Some 4,000 Uzbeks fled to the border with neighboring Kyrgyzstan, seeking asylum. Kyrgyz border guards were awaiting a government decision on whether to allow them in, said Gulmira Borubayeva, a spokeswoman for Kyrgyzstan's border guard service.
A move to shelter the refugees could badly strain Kyrgyzstan's relations with Karimov's government.
Friday's uprising began when armed men freed 2,000 inmates from a prison, including suspects on trial for alleged Islamic extremism.
Later, thousands of people swarmed into the streets of Andijan, seizing control of the administration building and taking city officials hostage, including the prosecutor and the police chief. Nine people were killed in those clashes and 34 wounded, the government said. Cars and nearby theaters were set ablaze.
In the afternoon, about 4,000 protesters massed in front of the building on the central square and set up a podium under a monument to an Uzbek prince, where speakers complained of unemployment and living in poverty.
But shortly before dusk, the soldiers moved in and opened fire, sending the terrified demonstrators fleeing. One man wailed, "Oh, my son! He's dead!''
Karimov and other officials flew to Andijan during the day but returned to the capital of Tashkent on Friday night. On Saturday, the president said authorities tried to negotiate an end to the protests before firing on the crowd.
But a protest leader, Kabuljon Parpiyev, said Interior Minister Zakir Almatov called him Friday morning and heard the protesters' demands. He initially agreed to negotiations but later said the offer of talks was off, Parpiyev said.
"He said, 'We don't care if 200, 300 or 400 people die. We have force and we will chuck you out of there anyway,''' Parpiyev quoted Almatov as saying.
The prison raid and the soldiers' fusillades were in sharp contrast to the largely peaceful uprisings that sparked regime changes in the former Soviet republics of Georgia, Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan in the past 18 months. Karimov is regarded as one of the harshest leaders in the former Soviet Union and apparently favors quick and decisive action against any threats to his government.
Uzbekistan is a minor oil exporter and hosts a U.S. air base to support military operations in neighboring Afghanistan following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States. But it also is frequently denounced by human rights groups for torture and repression of opposition.
The White House urged restraint by both the government and the demonstrators.
"The people of Uzbekistan want to see a more representative and democratic government. But that should come through peaceful means, not through violence,'' White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.
The focus of the jailbreak was 23 men on trial on charges of being members of a group allegedly allied with the outlawed radical Islamic party Hizb-ut-Tahrir, which seeks to create a worldwide Islamic state and has been forced underground throughout most of Central Asia and Russia.
Supporters of the 23 men say they were victims of religious repression by Karimov's secular government.
The 23 are members of Akramia - a group named for their founder, Akram Yuldashev, an Islamic dissident sentenced in 1999 to 17 years in prison for allegedly urging the overthrow of Karimov. He has proclaimed his innocence.
Akramis are considered the backbone of Andijan's small business community, running a medical clinic and pharmacy, as well as working as furniture craftsmen, and providing employment to thousands in the impoverished Fergana Valley, where Islamist sentiment runs high.
There are concerns that the valley could become a flashpoint for destabilizing wide swaths of ex-Soviet Central Asia.
Their trial has inspired one of the largest public shows of anger at the government. In recent weeks, Uzbeks have shown increasing willingness to challenge the leadership in protests, apparently bolstered by the March uprising in Kyrgyzstan that drove out President Askar Akayev and the similar ones in Ukraine and Georgia.
One of the 23 defendants, Abduvosid Egomov, sought refuge with protesters in the adminstrative building on Friday.
"We are not going to overthrow the government. We demand economic freedom,'' Egomov told The Associated Press. "We are ready to die instead of living as we are living now. The Uzbek people have been reduced to living like dirt.''
05/14/05 06:58
© Copyright The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained In this news report may not be published, broadcast or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.
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What shocks me most is that the article mentioned that Uzbekistan was an ally of the US. Of course it didn't mention how much aid we give their military, but still, normally the media is silent on such matters.
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ColdWizard
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Everyone knows Uzbekistan is a US puppet because of the airbase there from the operations against Afghanistan. The armed men raiding the prison were justified in releasing the other 1977 inmates to get out the 23 they wanted.
No doubt the other former Soviet regimes mentioned handled their armed violent protesters in a much more civilized manner.
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BlackCat
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Yup, it was a cunning scheme decided by Bush himself, coz everyone knows that he can't think and does stupid things.
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ColdWizard
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Everyone also knows Bush is merely TEH CHANEY'S sock puppet of D00M!!eleventytwelvesixty!@!!
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BlackCat
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Nonono, you got it all wrong, it was the mean and devious oil industry that cast a spell on Chaney so he ordered Bush to do it (but don't tell anyone that you herd it from me, it's a secret).
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BlackCat
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Oh, you don't know the depths of the real evil - it all can be traced back to those evil scientists that are trying to prevent the truth to be learned in humble Kansas schools.
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BlackCat
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Nah, if I Tell you more secrets I have to unleash my Internet Remote Search And Dstroy Units (aka I.R.S.A.D.U), but I'm not sure that I can control them after they have killed you - they may hurt other.
One thing I although can tell is that it's all predicted by the Vølven (Voelven for you that doesn't have a decent spelling) from Iceland.
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BlackCat
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quote:
Originally posted by johncmcleod
Uzbekistan is US backed because it's a key energy source. I think it's more that than the US having a base there.
BlackCat, you might as well stop trolling. Your sarcasm is pathetic and you have made 4 of the last 8 posts without saying anything. |
I didn't know that this was supposed to be a serious thread with all those insane accusations about US is to answer for what has happened.
You are quite right about US having a base in Uzbekistan, but as far as I know no US military are patrolling any areas outside these bases, so it is totally rediculiously to claim that US has any kind of responsibility in what has happened.
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BlackCat
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quote:
Originally posted by johncmcleod
All I did was post a news story, which is quite common when events significant as this happen.
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No you did not. You started a thread about US killing 200 protestors.
Oh, you disguised it very well in claiming that it "only" was US backed Uzbekistans that did it, but really ? It is too obviously.
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BlackCat
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quote:
Originally posted by johncmcleod
The US has given Uzbekistan a crapload of money for its military, my friend. |
Oh, so the country was totally demilitarized before that ? My guess is that those who did this crime was armed with their standard weapons - most certainly old soviet guns.
Don't misunderstand me - I am in no way a defender of killing peacefull proteters, quite the opposite, and if you had made a thread about the insanity about doing that, I would have supported you. Only problem is that you didn't - you started a thread where you claimed that it was the US that are to blame for this - actually, I think that you are more concerned about the US 'guilt' than you are about what happened to those that got killed.
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BlackCat
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quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I love how conservatives rush to justify the murder of civilians when it's an ally of the U.S. |
Since you are true defender of socialistic regimes doing the same, I understand your feeling. I just doesn't hope that you put me in that category, because I actually doesn't neither justify or accept it.
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BlackCat
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quote:
Originally posted by Pekka
I don't know what US has to do with this. |
It's a good headline - both in a newspaper and a thread title.
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