18-05-2005 05:54									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley Miscellaneous sections from Rules.txt Cosmic Variables- Fundamentalism edited to freeze technology.

I'd up the tech lost to 100% as well just in case a scientist gets to happen somewhere.

	18-05-2005 07:17									#32
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Say, if I were to up it past 100%, would they start losing techs?

Other currently outstanding questions:

1. What happens if you diallow government changing but a democracy riots?

2. How does a RecievedTech trigger work if the JustOnce flag isn't used?

3. Does the AI ever re-home units? This is for a mini-mission where the AI gets an unkillable superunit that you can only take out by taking its home city.

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	18-05-2005 11:53									#33
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Reminds me very much of an excellent utopian novel, 'Ecotopia'. Very cool, and much looking forward to playing! Good luck!

	18-05-2005 12:38									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley 2. How does a RecievedTech trigger work if the JustOnce flag isn't used?

Then your trigger activates the event every turn after the tech has been received!

	18-05-2005 12:44									#35
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I am doubtful if the AI ever does rehome units, but it will certainly disband some.

If the unit is powerful and useful to the AI, it will stay around,
seeing as the enemy civs are fixated with the most powerful hitter.

It really depends on what role you give the uber-unit...

	18-05-2005 13:06									#36
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What Curt specified is true - on the other hand you could event-create that unit and give it a home city via that very event

	19-05-2005 05:53									#37
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Hey Sarsstock, any news on those units?

	19-05-2005 14:22									#38
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Here's all the units made (of Californian allegiance, at least) for that scen idea. They may be a wee bit 'redneck' for your needs, Smiley.

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	19-05-2005 19:15									#39
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They're perfect for the other side.

As of now, rules.txt editing is mostly complete, and I'll be starting on the map soon.

	20-05-2005 11:36									#40
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Some interesting observations:

Using the "Fractional movement" technique I made Freeways and Bridges have a movecost of 1/2. (Road modifier is set to 2) Everything works fine, but the move costs of the bridge and freeway show up funny in the Civilopedia, as do the move cost of all the units. Unit move costs show up normally in the build menu though.

Examples of the weirdness:
Actual movement -->Displayed

0-->0
1-->0
2-->1
3-->2
4-->2
5-->3
7-->4
8-->5
10-->6
12-->8
15-->10
16-->10
18-->12
20-->13

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	20-05-2005 11:53									#41
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Units are more or less done, though there are 7 extra slots, so let's hear some suggestions!

Current unit list:

First row

(Empty Slot)
Engineers
Mad Cow - land missile
Giant Mecha - powerful ground attack
Peace Mobile - can't be built, generated when you kill a Tank
Tank- fast and powerful enemy unit
Mammoth Tank- slightly slower but much stronger. Built by events in certain cities.
(Empty Slot)
Cloyne Lvl 2- Cloyne is one of your two hero units, which have boosted stats. Different techs level up your heroes, and they become more powerful and gain special abilities. When your hero units die in battle they get regenerated in San Francisco.

Second row

Activist- second level defense, also the partisan unit.
Hippie- your initial defense
Magical Girl - third level defense
Cloyne Lvl 3
Cloyne Lvl 4 - paradrop
Cloyne Lvl 5 -Domain 3 unit
G-1000 - an early boss
Governator G-X - He's back... stronger and faster
Cyberdemon - You'll face this beast late in the game. Practically unbeatable, the only way to take it out will be to capture its home city.

Third row

Conan the Republican - The third iteration of Arnold
Ahnuld - a steroid-boosted beast
(Empty Slot)
SUB- one of the barbarians
Ashby Lvl 1 - your other hero unit
Psychic - ultimate buildable defense unit. Also good for attacking cities late in game (has ignore walls flag)
Ashby Lvl 2
Ashby Lvl 3
Ashby Lvl 4

Fourth row

Black Helicopter - a late game, powerful heli
Airship - an early air unit, good for scouting
Jet- the enemy airforce
Pegasus - your first offensive air unit
Angel - a souped up version
(Empty Slot)
Ruins- used to block placement of units after certain events
Sutro Tower - terrain feature
Fenwick Tower - terrain feature

Fifth row

Lazorfrigate - late game attack ship
Ferry - sea transport
Gunboat - basic naval unit
Battleship - big bad enemy ship
(Empty Slot)
NIMBYs - related to an event
Evil Castle - Fixed target
Ultrachurch - Fixed target
Fenwick Tower - terrain feature

Sixth row

Rainbow Haze - a missile unit
Nerd - diplomat
H4xx0r- spy
(Empty Slot)
Traders - freight
Bridge Out - event created special
Cloyne Lvl 1
Cloyne Lvl 6 - air unit, cannot be attacked
Hybrid Tank - fast attack unit, buildable

Seventh row

Gun Nut - the fundamentalist infantry
Sky Castle - powerful air unit
Bridge Crew - kills Bridge Out units
(Empty Slot)
Ashby Lvl 5
Ashby Lvl 6
Imperial Walker - a powerful event created unit
Dragon - a powerful event created enemy
Barbarian Leader

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	20-05-2005 15:13									#42
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quote: Everything works fine, but the move costs of the bridge and freeway show up funny in the Civilopedia, as do the move cost of all the units.

Move costs of units always turn out funny on my Civilopedia. I've always just thought it was an inherent glytch. Is there something I should know?

	20-05-2005 15:34									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley the move costs of the bridge and freeway show up funny in the Civilopedia, as do the move cost of all the units.

I'm having the same problem in my ant scenario. I'm looking for a solution as well!

	20-05-2005 18:30									#44
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I think someone made a Rambo unit. You could use Stallone as a counter to Ahhhhhnold.

	20-05-2005 20:46									#45
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This one?
The artist who made this, please step fourth and submit a version with your sig attached,
This is the only version i can have of it, beacause it was off my units hoarde zip disk i made a while ago,

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	21-05-2005 07:49									#46
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Thanks for the unit, he's going to be a fast moving special unit.

I need a copy of that disk... how large is the whole file?

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Currently 6 slots are still open. One is one of the barbarian slots, any ideas?

The other 5 I'm planning to use for "boss" units, of which one is going to be immobile. Ideas and graphics are highly welcome!

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	21-05-2005 08:31									#47
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Roster looks pretty complete! Was going to reccomend 'journalist' in the diplomat slot, but the graphic is so good for nerd, it should probably stay nerd! You may be able to fill the rest with bio-tech related (poison gas, battle cat, walking tree, etc), drug-supped (noticed steroid-fighter already, or money-based units (North West has a strong, self-sufficient natural resources-based economy). On the other side, maybe some drooling, fanatic foot soldiers?

Love mad cow and black helicopter.

	21-05-2005 10:34									#48
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The nerd graphic is actually from a googled photo of a nerd.

The walking tree sounds like a good idea, and I think I know where i can find a graphic for it also.

Currently working on Describe.txt. Here's a sample:

quote: After losing the 2000 Presidential election, Al Gore went back to what he did best- inventing the Internet. Since the Internet was already invented, and reinventing it would be dumbest thing since reinventing the wheel, Gore developed a better version, which became known as the Internet2. Subsequently, he would go on to invent additonal faster versions, including the Internet3 and the InternetPi. Anime fans and other lonely people worldwide rejoiced.

Some parts of it probably not suitable for posting

	21-05-2005 19:56									#49
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Smiley,

You still in need of some whacky units? This is one I enjoyed making. There's no way this would appear in a normal Civ2 scenario but he might have a place in yours.


* A pat on the back for anyone who recognizes it

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	21-05-2005 21:00									#50
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Hmm, what is that?

	22-05-2005 00:00									#51
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That little hat is Cheech Wizard, a character from Vaugn Bode's comix work, usually known by the catch-all name of "Deadbone." He did a lot of work and a good part of it was pseudo-military, which was odd for such a counterculture person. His work was strongly iconoclastic and tended to violent parody. Bode' himself remains a mysterious figure, committing suicide while still young. Cheech Wizard later saw publication in National Lampoon and a few other places, but the strong sexuality of his stuff kept it out of the mainstream.

	22-05-2005 00:38									#52
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Totally correct Exile, you deserve a pat on the back for your comic history knowledge

For a long time (due to the lettering) I actually thought it said "Cheese Wizard" instead of "Cheech Wizard". I've only became familiar with Vaughn Bode's work in the last few years myself. Until then I only knew he was some 60/70's comic artist. Pity he died so young, the guy had talent.

	22-05-2005 11:40									#53
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Hmm, I just might work that in there as an easter egg.

More graphics work- this is what the new City Screen looks like. Sections have been recolored and redesigned for a more intuitive look.

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	22-05-2005 11:46									#54
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Current file progress uploaded for backup and for the curious.

Status report:

Conceptual design: 85%

Graphics: 80%

Rules.txt: 90%

Map: 15%

Events: 10%

Text files: 10%

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	24-05-2005 08:44									#55
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RE: What happens if gov switching is dissallowed and a Democracy slips into revolt; tried to deliberately leave some democratic cities in disorder to circumvent the 'no-revolution' setting in other scenarios. I did not descend into anarchy though, and was not able to select a new government; it is at least possible to get this effect, although I don't know if it is the only effect possible.

	24-05-2005 11:12									#56
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You have to refuse to remove friendly troops that the AI insists you move.

If you don't move 'em, the government falls.

	25-05-2005 01:41									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley 3. Does the AI ever re-home units? This is for a mini-mission where the AI gets an unkillable superunit that you can only take out by taking its home city.

Yes, I've seen it occur repeatedly in my playtests (where it's unwanted ), but I suspect the AI is very particular about the circumstances. I'll look into it and post the details later.

	25-05-2005 05:43									#58
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Okay, in my El Aurens playtest on turn 1, four AI units, "Syrians" (slot 62), which are deployed in Sinai cities (map0), have a home city, "23 PF", on map3. One turn later they all are homed to the city which they garrison.

Syrians have the defensive role, the fanatic flag on, cannot enter impassable terrain, and an mf=3. The cities in which they reside are surrounded by impassable terrain. In the past, I've seen nonfanatics rehomed by the AI. The main requirement seems to be that they are mobile units stuck in a city.

IIRC, role 0 units garrisoning a city will make that city their new home, if their original home city is captured. I believe that this may require Gue and/or Cmn.

If your Cyberdemon is immobile he'll never rehome during the AI turn. If you give him a role 0, he shouldn't rehome upon capture of his home city. If he's mobile and stuck in a city, you'd better playtest a lot.

	25-05-2005 06:15									#59
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Exile:
Not an issue since negotiations are off. All good.

Boco:
He's configured as mobile and not stuck in a city (and is designed to "visit" many), so looks like it's playtest time. My foolproof alternative method is making him part of a third-party civ and killing that civ upon capture of a certain city.

	25-05-2005 10:20									#60
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All new People graphics!

Happy and Content changed to more intuitive colors.

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