16-05-2005 03:29									#1
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Some suggestions:

Build orders

• AU: set to CDF
  
• Hurry GH & FL.

	16-05-2005 14:02									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac Build orders AU: set to CDF Worker relocations Arcadia University: get a +2 nutrient surplus by relocating foresters to rainy tiles.

I wondered why. So I tried that in the sim. And...OUCH!
So that's the famous popbooming: one pop-point more every turn! Can someone explain me the mechanism? (I think we reached 100% growth with Democracy+Planned+Creche).

	16-05-2005 19:44									#3
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1) You need a two nutrients surplus in the base in question
2) You need +6 SE Growth. In SMAX (or SMAC updated with the XP patch IIRC) this can be obtained by any combination of the following as long as it adds up to the magic number six:

• Inherent faction Growth boni
  
• Social Engineering choices: Democratic, Planned, Eudaimonic
  
• Children's Creche: +2 Growth
  
• Golden Age: +2 Growth

	16-05-2005 20:49									#4
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Or the Cloning Vats (gives an extra pop every turn to a base that has a +2 nuts and adequate hab facilities)

	16-05-2005 21:42									#5
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Aaah, now I see, awesome - I had no idea! Let's pop-boom

	17-05-2005 08:12									#6
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may I suggest to the editors of the phalanx to do a report on our recent pop-boom?

Maybe something to do with soldiers returning home after the morganic wars? Or optimism within the federation about a new era of peace? (althought we know thats not gonna last long )

	18-05-2005 10:21									#7
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MY-2171 – early moves

• Disco Volante pops pod, gets a sonar buoy – reveals a Gaian coastal base. Pops by to have a look, but there’s a probe defender. Also reveals an Angel probe foil in the bay (pic attached)

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	18-05-2005 11:00									#8
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MY-2171 moves cont …….
Fleet deployment

• SCC Iaci pops that PK seapod, - Nothing useful

	18-05-2005 11:29									#9
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lots more moves to make, but some questions to be answered:

Our western fleet & Task Force .... send it thru the Styx to get to Lal's western coast, so that we can project force there?

Our eastern Fleet (at Gagarin Memorial) - orders for them? Coastal patrol to reinforce our MoDo Doctrine (jowever it pans out)?

Our Southern fleet & task force (after transferring from the Heimdall) - turn south and head for lalaland, or proceed to 2NS as originally planned?

Our Air Force - standby, or active patrolling? (and if the latter, then in which theaters of operation)

	18-05-2005 11:31									#10
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Post overtaken by events

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	18-05-2005 20:34									#11
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Turn looks great. I played a little further, just executing the hoplite dance described in the first post (and putting the sporelauncher to sleep to heal in the fungus).

Military

• Switch the new SC3 CDF with the SC2 CDF in SC4. Rehome the SC2 CDF to SC3.
  
• Land the SC1 B-4 that's currently flying above Messena in Messena. Fly the SC1 B-4 currently in Messena to SC3, and rehome it to SC3.
  
• Rehome the VV hoplite in SC1 to SC1.
  
• Move the hoplite in SC3 to FB.
  
• Move the hoplite in FB to RG.
  
• Move the hoplite in RG in the direction of Messena.

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	18-05-2005 20:35									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie SCC Iaci pops that PK seapod, - Nothing useful

An original copy of "Lady Deirdre's Lover"?

	18-05-2005 21:03									#13
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LOL - i actually don't remember what it was 9even though i was running word parallel to the game to note moves as they happened. ity wasn't a sonar pop. 'cos the message comes up on that 9as it did with the Disco volante) and wasn't energy or a facs completion

By default, must have been a kelp pop, although i don't see anything different between 2170.sav and 2171 current

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	18-05-2005 21:09									#14
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Then we'd see kelp?
Edit: Ah, just read your edit.

	18-05-2005 21:29									#15
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Moving along:

• Moved Western assault force into the Styx - anchored in great Collective bay
  
• returned the MT CAP B-4 to base the long way - seems that yang has reduced his border patrol significantly
  
• sent an MT B-4 to CAP for the Western assault force at GC bay
  
• sent the B-4 providing ocean CAP to SC4
  
• Sent the B-4 that was providing Straits of laconia CAP to MT
  
• Offloaded heimdall's cargo, and sent it to pick up the ginfreighter, then parked it with the SCC Iaca for protection
  
• Moved the )now loaded) trannie south to the energy fungus seatile outside UN Planning Authority, and teamed it with the Invincible for protection
  
• Moved 2NS's B-4 to Iaci Base
  
• Iaci's maurauding hoplite trolled the fungus rived - nothing emerged
  
• Sent MT's B-6 south as far as Labourer's Throng to check for Hive units, then parked it over our forest-mineral tile

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	18-05-2005 21:37									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie MY-2171 – early moves Disco Volante pops pod, gets a sonar buoy – reveals a Gaian coastal base. Pops by to have a look, but there’s a probe defender. Also reveals an Angel probe foil in the bay (pic attached)

Hmm, we're within visible range, so I'd suggest to send the Gaians this pic, with an assurance that we mean no harm and will depart asap. You never know they have a needlejet already somewhere, and we're still at war...

An additional advantage: them seeing that Angel probe foil might cause some troubles in their alliance.

	18-05-2005 21:48									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac An additional advantage: them seeing that Angel probe foil might cause some troubles in their alliance.

Yes, definately a fun element.

	18-05-2005 22:06									#18
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Great idea - I'll send it right away to Net Warrior

Message sent:

quote: e-mail from Googlie to net warrior Based on the Peace Conference resolutions, we are offering a Truce this turn And, also, sailors on the Disco Volante, rounding your south coast, waved to your children playing in the fungus southeast of Lily of the Valley. We have no ill intent, and will vacate your coast immediately (however we are anchored for the night in the bay to the southeast, exchanging pleasantries with the crew of the Angels probe foil nearby) Screenie attached

(Screenie obviously not attached to this post, as it appears just a few above)

	18-05-2005 23:13									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac New Tomcat-VV: what to do? Some options: -> move NW and build a road then forest on the flat tile -> move N and start building a condenser on the farmed rolling tile -> go help all other formers building condenser farms around the Eurotas Valley. Still planning to build airbases on (50.8) and (47.17)?

Moved the tomcat north and started a condensor

And, rather than airbases, how about a sensor in both locations?

	18-05-2005 23:27									#20
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Some suggested build orders:

• Sparta Command - no matter as has no minerals
  
• Tegea Harbour - a crawler, for all that lovely forest
  
• 2Nuts Strand - irrelevant, as no minerals
  
• Vladivostok - a CDF
  
• Arcadia University - a CDF
  
• Argos - a crawler - again, lots of lovely forest to work
  
• Fort Buster - an B-6 (an Aerospace there)
  
• Fort Liberty - a completed Tomcat
  
• Fort Superiority - a half-completed hab Complex (do we rush it? - 68 credits this turn or 24 next turn to rush)
  
• Gythium Harbour - a rushed crawler (31 credits)
  
• Iaci Base - a GinRunner (only 1 mineral)
  
• Ironholm - a rushed former
  
• Messena - a rushed crawler
  
• Minas Tirith - a GinRunner (no minerals)
  
• Olympus Academy - a B-6 (Aerospace complex)
  
• Rio Grande - a rushed former (11 credits)
  
• Santiago Citadel - the completed Planetary Datalinks
  
• Sector CraterSouth - a crawler (no minerals)
  
• Sector CraterWest - a crawler (no minerals)
  
• full circle to Sparta Command (top)

	18-05-2005 23:38									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie [*]Fort Superiority - a half-completed hab Complex (do we rush it? - 68 credits this turn or 24 next turn to rush)

I would say next turn. If we do go for Lal, we will need cash for upgrades.

quote: Originally posted by Googlie [*]Iaci Base - a GinRunner (only 1 mineral)

Maybe Recycling Tanks? Rushing those when the first row is complete would at least make the base halfway productive...

quote: Originally posted by Googlie [*]Santiago Citadel - the completed Planetary Datalinks

Ahh, I like the sound of that.

	18-05-2005 23:50									#22
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Yet further moves ……. Terraforming

• Tomcat-TH: moved a tile SW and commenced roadbuilding
  
• Tomcat-FS: moved a tile E and commenced roadbuilding
  
• Tomcat VV-2 moved north and commenced a condenser on the farmed/rolling tile
  
• Moved the OA former on the OA NW mine 1 tile SW and commenced farming
  
• sent the newly commissioned tomcat from OA to hurry that farm

Last edited by Googlie on 19-05-2005 at 19:12

	19-05-2005 02:35									#23
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Word from the Ministry of Infrastructure

I'm still upset that we have 6 bases with "No minerals" (including Iaci Base and its poor 1). I don't know if we can rush facilities in cashing crawlers (didn't seem to work when I tried in sim).
We should think about something to adress this situation sooner rather than later.

Question: With Neural Grafting just around the corner, do we have a shot to the Neural Amplifier and should we try? (or do we keep the crawlers for other 'more valuable' SPs ?)

Otherwise, not much on this turn...but next one, those cities completing orders should turn on infrastructure (I have to justify my fees, you know!). Maybe use crawlers to give a 'shot in the arm' with minerals, but use it then to build powerful multifunctional facilities!
We don't know how long the peace will last with the human factions.

	19-05-2005 04:09									#24
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Yeah - we can instabuild facilities in zero-mineral bases with the Maniac Manoever (start building a prototype in that base, send a crawler there and cash it in to speed the prototype, then retire the prototype design - the full 30 mineral value of the crawler is now stored in the base, switch to a creche tanks or whatever, and it's got 30 of its 45 mins completed. we then can buy the rest for the instabuyild (last row of 9 cists 18 credits, and the remaining 6 in the penultimate row costs another 18)

They have zero minerals 'cos we've chosen to home so many units there, recognizing that they weren't likely to be as productive bases as some others in the early stages

Of course, now that we have formers coming out of the woodwork, we can start prepping thsoe bases for the popboom by farming and condensing everywhere, and boreholing after that, so they'll prove their worth eventually

	19-05-2005 18:53									#25
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Some final unit moves:

• sent the injured B-4 at Gagarin Memorial back to FS for repair next turn
  
• moved the B-6 in FS to 1-tile short of Iaci base ready for any PK action
  
• Sent SCC Tacticus and Njord south to harrass the PK east coast should hostilities break out between us
  
• rummaged around in the fungus NW of FL with the 2 Hoplites and the skanky trying to scare up mindworms – nothing
  
• same with the Hoplite at Mt Taygetus – nothing this turn
  
• moved the slow transport in the Straits of Thebes into VV
  
• Redeployed the B-4 in VV to 2NS
  
• changed build orders in all zero-minerals bases to rec tanks (from crawlers) - if we ever forget and pop a completion pod that gives a completion in tat base, rec tanks are better than crawlers (but we should change pre-popping to gin freighters or ginrunners)

Last edited by Googlie on 19-05-2005 at 19:01

	19-05-2005 19:08									#26
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Another question: we only need 13 lab points for our next tech - do we want to reset the sliders for 1 turn to 90/0/10? We still get PE in 2172, but get 54 credits instead of the 23 we currently will get at our 50/0/50 setting (of course, precious few lab points will then carry over, but that's not a great concern right now - cash is)

	19-05-2005 19:11									#27
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All above moves (but not the changes to SE settings - incorporated in the almostdone.sav (attached)

Edited to rempove old savefile

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	20-05-2005 02:22									#28
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A quick comment already, before having a look at the turn:

quote: Originally posted by Googlie Cats FB and CW currently on forested river NW of RG (and were designated to building the airbase) – how about veeing to the fungus river tile NE of RG and defungussing and foresting there, aided by the newly commissioned tomcat in RG

Personally I'd prefer not to. That's spending six former turns just to get one extra energy. There are more efficient uses of our terraforming time I think.

	20-05-2005 02:34									#29
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I ususally hate using formers to clear fungus when they can plant forests or farms, but at some point, to ensure the pop growth in the RG basin, that fungus needs clearing

Somewhat the same in the tri-cities area. there are still a few crater tiles that can be forested, but that centre-crater tile is a beut for development once the fungus is gione

But that's why I've left the moves yet to do. 'cos not everyone shares my theory of terraforming

	20-05-2005 02:53									#30
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If we don't go with fungus removal, these seem to be the options available:

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