19-05-2005 05:54									#31
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Sharpshooters?

So that's what the "SS" stands for. I've been playing Gettyburg for years now, and I never knew what Berdan's green-uniformed regiments were.

Learn something every day.

	19-05-2005 14:42									#32
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@ Fairline: Thank you for your advice, I do think that will work out better.

Any ideas where to get those Brigade/Regimental flags/signs/whatever?

	20-05-2005 09:24									#33
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I tried to look for those regimental flags when I went to post those regiments but I couldn't find more than just a handfull of colour illustrations.

	20-05-2005 17:08									#34
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Well, Chris, I did not find anything matching too. Crap.

Attached the new units list ... I think this could work

Rebel Units:

C.S. Officer
McLaw's Division
Picket's Division
Hood's Division
Early's Division
Johnson's Division
Rodes' Division
Andersen's Division
Heth's Division
Pender's Division
Stuart's Division (Cav)
Imboden's Command

Robert E. Lee
James Longstreet
Richard S. Ewell
Ambrose P. Hill

Yankee Units:

I Corps, 1st Division
I Corps, 2nd Division
I Corps, 3rd Division
II Corps, 1st Division
II Corps, 2nd Division
II Corps, 3rd Division
III Corps, 1st Division
III Corps, 2nd Division
V Corps, 1st Division
V Corps, 2nd Division
V Corps, 3rd Division
VI Corps, 1st Division
VI Corps, 2nd Division
VI Corps, 3rd Division
XI Corps, 1st Division
XI Corps, 2nd Division
XI Corps, 3rd Division
XII Corps, 1st Division
XII Corps, 2nd Division
Cav Corps, 1st Division
Cav Corps, 2nd Division
Cav Corps, 3rd Division

George G. Meade
John F. Reynolds
Winfield S. Hancock
Daniel E. Sickles
George Sykes
John Sedgwick
Oliver O. Howard
Henry W. Slocum

Shared Units:

Horse Artillery
6-pdr Battery
lt. 12-pdr Battery
24-pdr Howitzer
6-pds Artillery Shell
12-pds Artillery Shell
24-pds Howitzer Shell

	20-05-2005 17:37									#35
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Just playing around with the corps and division badges ...

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	20-05-2005 18:36									#36
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Jim, how about an eagle or just the old Union crest for the Union troops. The star really didn't come into use till the early the next century.

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	20-05-2005 19:57									#37
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Hmmm... it might be a tad harder to find illustrations of the units under those names Steph, such as "V Corps, 2nd Division" as oppose to the previous names such as "14th New York Militia". I do understand that the names and labeling are more accurate now than they were before.

Which units and uniforms do you think would best represent each division?

	20-05-2005 21:32									#38
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@ Harry: Thanks a lot, this will do just fine. Any idea what the Confederate "unit shield" should be looking like? Attached is what I have done with that Yankee symbol, I havenŽt yet decided which type I should use ... though I opt for the left one

@ Chris: Hum - good, very good point. The link below takes you to the Wikipedia entry about the Union OOB/Gettysburg - there is a link towards the Rebel OOB too on that site.

quote: Union I Corps, 1st Division: 19th Indiana 24th Michigan 2nd Wisconsin 6th Wisconsin 7th Wisconsin 7th Indiana 76th New York 84th New York 95th New York 147th New York 56th Pennsylvania

IŽd give that unit a maximum of two different unit graphics - one NY infantry graphic and one Wisconsin.

If weŽd apply that rule to the other divisions of the Union troops as well IŽd need these unit graphics:

I Corps, 1st Division - NY Inf., Wisconsin Inf.
I Corps, 2nd Division - "New England" Inf., Pennsylvania Inf.
I Corps, 3rd Division - Pennsylvania Inf., Vermont Inf.

II Corps, 1st Division - NY (=Irish Brigade) Inf., New England Inf.
II Corps, 2nd Division - Pennsylvania Inf., Massachusettes Inf., Minnesota Sharpshooters
II Corps, 3rd Division - Ohio Inf., NY Inf.

III Corps, 1st Division - Pennsylvania Inf., Sharpshooters, New England Inf.
III Corps, 2nd Division - NY Inf., New Jersey Inf.

V Corps, 1st Division - Massachusetts Inf., Pennsylvania Inf.
V Corps, 2nd Division - Union Regulars
V Corps, 3rd Division - Pennsylvania Reserves

VI Corps, 1st Division - New Jersey Inf., Pennsylvania Inf.
VI Corps, 2nd Division - Vermont Inf., NY Inf.
VI Corps, 3rd Division - Pennsylvania Inf., New England Inf.

XI Corps, 1st Division - NY Inf., Ohio Inf.
XI Corps, 2nd Division - NY Inf., Ohio Inf.
XI Corps, 3rd Division - NY Inf.

XII Corps, 1st Division - New England Infantry
XII Corps, 2nd Division - Ohio Inf., NY Inf.

Cav Corps, 1st Division
Cav Corps, 2nd Division
Cav Corps, 3rd Division

And now to explain those infantry types a bit:

* New England Infantry - some kind of unit resembling the New England provenience of its soldiers;

* New York Infantry - it would be great to have a number of different uniform types to chose from

* Sharpshooters - two different types, US Sharpshooters and Minnesota Sharpshooters;

* Union Retulars - should be clear what IŽd need;

* Pennsylvania Reserves - I have no clue what they wore ...

IŽll post the splitted Rebel OOB later

Btw, I do think the divisional unit(s) could look like this:

	20-05-2005 22:03									#39
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I think that looks pretty good. The eagle could be a bit smaller though. The Confederate shield was just like the Civ2 unit shield, but the two corners at the top were clipped at 45 degree angles. The design was of course the stars and bars.

	20-05-2005 22:05									#40
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Jim, the actual system used for Corps and Division flags in the Federal Armies can be found here:

http://www.bufordsboys.com/Flags.htm

	20-05-2005 22:34									#41
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So just to be clear Steph, are you suggesting that each individual unit graphic would be made up of two infantrymen? Meaning that in the case of I Corps, 1st Division the unit graphic would be a NY Infantryman standing beside a Wisconsin Infantryman?

If this is indeed the case I can get started right away.

	20-05-2005 22:58									#42
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Here's what I mean Steph, for this example of the I Corps, 1st Division I used the 14th New York and the 2nd Wisconsin. Would this be what you were looking for or did you have other regiments in mind?

	20-05-2005 23:00									#43
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Here's the unit example. Now I just realized that the 14th New York wasn't in the I Corps, 1st Division but rather the 147th and several others. So for now Steph just let me know if this style of unit is what your indeed looking for and if so then I will proceed with making up the proper I Corps, 1st Division units along with all the others post haste.

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	21-05-2005 00:30									#44
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@ Fairline: Well, thatŽs "only" cavalry colours. Anymore info about infantry colours I did not find

@ Sarsstock: I meant something slightly different - I might split up the divisional unit into two or more units.

I am also contemplating to use my miniature soldier graphics once more ...

	21-05-2005 00:52									#45
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Nah, go with the big ones. Sarsstock and Fairline have enough to make it worthwhile.

	21-05-2005 01:02									#46
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Try this Jim:

http://www.dmna.state.ny.us/histori...ectronindex.htm

	21-05-2005 02:22									#47
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@ Harry: You do not like them, eh?

Btw, here I have a modded Rebel trooper - ripped from a WW2 soldier from CurtŽs Dictatot ToT scen. This a start?

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	21-05-2005 02:42									#48
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@ Harry, again: Thank you very much for this link, seems useful

And the Picket's Division unit ...

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	21-05-2005 05:40									#49
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No I do like them, but since the battle is on such a relatively small scale I think you should use the big units. More color and it shows off the uniforms more.

The shields are good too.

	21-05-2005 07:17									#50
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Truth be told I like those as well Steph, the colour, shading and positions are all improvments on my mods. I think I understand what exactly you did differently and how you modified the WW2 Infantry. What if I were to try to help you out still using this new style? What that be helpfull or do you want to be in charge now?

	21-05-2005 08:15									#51
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This would be an example of the I Corps, 1st Division in the form of the two seperate units done in your new and improved style Steph, the 147th New York and the 2nd Wisconsin respectively. I have to say I love this new style of infantry, I seriously never thought of applying Curt's unit poses to nineteenth century units though. I think I might just convert all the infantry units in Jules Verne to this very same style as well.

In any case let me know if this is to your likeing or if you want to shoulder the unit burden on this project.

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	21-05-2005 11:12									#52
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Couple of things about the unit graphics: I originally made 1 or 2 ACW troops with their trousers (that's pants to you Yankees) tucked in their socks - this can be occasionally seen in photos but was very much the exception rather than the rule. Most should have just 'pants' and shoes. My Gurkha hat looks out of place on an ACW figure. The peaked cap from my Russian WW1 unit on the Pickett's Division bloke is out of place. Both sides had very few Regimental uniform distinctions by this stage of the War.

	21-05-2005 11:29									#53
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Well the shoes and socks issue is one I'm sure can be corrected, as for the hat's Gareth I used the Gurkha hat on the 2nd Wisconsin because I honestly felt the shape and look of the hat best matched the refernce photo attatched below.

Also, I too was surprised to find this reference photo of the 1st Virginia Infantry myself as my first thought was that it looked more like a Russian WW1 infantry than a Confederate regular from the Civil War. Still, it was they're uniform evidently.

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	21-05-2005 12:05									#54
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@ Fairline: To be frank, I used your WW2 unit as a base for I wanted to have some different unit postures. This was only some kind of "let me try this one out" attempt. I, however, feel like this is not too bad likking a unit after all - though most I did was shameless copying'n'pasting from your respective sarsstock mods.

@ Chris: Wonderful units! I am going to try out some more different positions for these units Whatever you possibly can contribute is highly appreciated

	21-05-2005 12:12									#55
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Well I can appreciate what your going for then Steph, if you have your own vision for what the units should look like then thats the definate way they should be.

These were the last of the bunch that I made up based on your mod's, the Mississippi Legion, the 42nd North Carolina Infantry and the 10th South Carolina Infantry.

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	21-05-2005 15:36									#56
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The Confederate 1st & 2nd Corps Infantry chappos

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	21-05-2005 23:13									#57
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Actually Steph since your new infantry style blows my old Civil War mods away I'd suggest you go with one of these two fellers here to represent the II Corps, 2nd Division 17th Virginia.

In my humble opinion .

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	21-05-2005 23:24									#58
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*edit*

Here are the two mods.

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	22-05-2005 08:37									#59
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A question, Steph, whose answer isn't obvious reading this thread. What are you going to do about the all-important issue of cities? You can't run a scen without them. What will their equivalent in this one be, and what will they be able to build? There's no obvious application for this institution yet mentioned here.

	22-05-2005 11:29									#60
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This is a good point, Patrick. I think I will have a couple of landmarks being "cities" owned by a civ or barbs allied to each of the two civs representing the Army of Northern Virginia respective the Army of the Potomac; some landmarks (e.g. the Entrance Gate on Cemetery Ridge) shall be in possession of the Union troops.

Technologies (= reinforcements) shall be given via events, these "cities" wonŽt be able to actually build anything you could possibly use - this is, after all, a three-days battle.