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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
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Originally posted by DanS
Is there any reason why I should follow this thread, considering that the people responsible for this are being prosecuted? |
Let's say the police investigate a crime and find that there is enough evidence for 27 people to be charged, but only seven people are charged. Do you think that is acceptable?
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:21
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Last October, the Army's Criminal Investigation Command concluded that there was probable cause to charge 27 officers and enlisted personnel with criminal offense.
So far, only the seven soldiers have been charged,
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:21
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The sad thing is how few Americans here are angry about what has happened.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:21
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Despite the many comments here from Americans, I still believe that most Americans believe in justice.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:21
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Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Why should we be? Compared to the widespread, systematic atrocities of the Taleban and Saddamite regimes, which directed and approved the atrocities committed by their forces, we have a few dozen individuals who violated standing orders and policy, and we are systematically investigating, charging, and prosecuting them.
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A) the standard that we apply to our democratic systems are not the same that we expect from dictatorships. We put ourselves on higher moral ground, therefore we must accept the higher responsibilities.
b) There is no indication that these soldier violated standing orders. In fact, their behaviour appears to have been approved by the brass.
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Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Those few dozen are among several hundred thousand who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan, and they are being processed by the US military legal system.
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You mean like the American pilots who clearly violated orders, killed four Canadian soldiers and then were allowed to walk away without any punishment?
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Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
ou can ***** and whine about an investigating board recommending prosecution back in October and 7 of 27 being charged by May, but that's standard judicial and prosecutorial process. An investigating board's recommendation doesn't rely on the same level or standard of evidence needed to commence a General Court |
There are many times when people charged with a crime are found not guilty because of lack of evidence. If an investigation finds enough evidence to say that a person should be charged, then that person should be charged. That person may well be innocent, but that will be determined in court. The 27 accused may all be innocent, but that should be determined in a court of law.
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Tingkai
A) the standard that we apply to our democratic systems are not the same that we expect from dictatorships. We put ourselves on higher moral ground, therefore we must accept the higher responsibilities.
b) There is no indication that these soldier violated standing orders. In fact, their behaviour appears to have been approved by the brass.
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At the risk of stating the obvious, the fact we are publicizing their conduct, investigating it, and prosecuting them for it would tend to suggest we're accepting a higher level of responsibility.
There are standing orders on the handling of prisoners by US forces.
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You mean like the American pilots who clearly violated orders, killed four Canadian soldiers and then were allowed to walk away without any punishment?
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 You mean the ones investigated, reprimanded, and who had their careers ended for doing so, although it was clear they had no specific knowledge that the soldiers attacked were friendlies and no intent to kill or attack friendlies? They ****ed up, they were negligent, and they paid with their careers and pensions, despite good and lengthy prior service records.
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There are many times when people charged with a crime are found not guilty because of lack of evidence. If an investigation finds enough evidence to say that a person should be charged, then that person should be charged. That person may well be innocent, but that will be determined in court. The 27 accused may all be innocent, but that should be determined in a court of law. |
Who says they won't be? The investigation board is not a general court martial convening authority, nor is it a prosecuting authority under the JAG. There is a judicial process to be followed in charging any individual under the UCMJ for any general court martial offense. There are also strategic and tactical considerations in all intelligent prosecutions (trials are time consuming and expensive), and selectively prosecuting some at the front gives you leverage for effective plea bargains at the end.
You're *****ing for the sake of *****ing, without any evidence even suggesting that any of the other 20 are going to walk.
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centrifuge
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quote:
Originally posted by Donegeal
Yes.
Now pissoff Troll.
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I'll 2nd that.
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