23-05-2005 05:35									#1
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Does anybody have a copy of the thread where a bunch of morons said that "research assistant" isn't a real job? I'm trying to recall whether any of them ever made a cogent argument in support of their ill-informed opinion, but sadly my memory fails me, and the archive appears to have been purged since the thread in question made its appearance.

	23-05-2005 05:37									#2
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Research assistant? What kind of fake job is that?

	23-05-2005 05:42									#3
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If I was going to get a fake a job, I would rather have the kind of fake job that actually entails not doing any hard work. RA definitely wouldn't apply.

	23-05-2005 05:51									#4
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I have a fake job. Doesn't make it any less interesting or difficult.

	23-05-2005 06:38									#5
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quote: Originally posted by loinburger Does anybody have a copy of the thread where a bunch of morons said that "research assistant" isn't a real job? I'm trying to recall whether any of them ever made a cogent argument in support of their ill-informed opinion, but sadly my memory fails me, and the archive appears to have been purged since the thread in question made its appearance.

You need a reasearch assistant to find it.

ACK!

	23-05-2005 06:48									#6
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Do you recall who started the thread? Was it about RA positions, or jobs in general?

Archive-guy needs more clues!

	23-05-2005 06:53									#7
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I think it was Ramo who started the thread -- the premise was about how RA's were trying to unionize at some university or another, with the douchebag-backlash being primarily focused on how research assistants didn't do "real work" and thus had no right to unionize. So an archive search for "student," "union," "Ramo," and "research assistant" ought to yield some results, assuming that the archive is not regularly purged of threads that are too off-topic and/or are not off-topic enough. I'm probably off on at least one search point, though, since it's probably been at least a year since the thread was active.

	23-05-2005 06:54									#8
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I think the argument was that it was part of education and therefore they didn't have the right to unionize any more than a normal student.

	23-05-2005 06:57									#9
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Yeah, if I remember correctly then you were one of the "I've been to high school, so I know everything there is to know about college" screech monkeys, though I may be confusing you for somebody else.

	23-05-2005 06:59									#10
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NLRB: Grad students in private universities lose the right to unionize!

You're welcome.

	23-05-2005 06:59									#11
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Btw, it was Ted Striker who was making that argument.

And you're right about Kuci's role in the fracas as well...

	23-05-2005 07:00									#12
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT NLRB: Grad students in private universities lose the right to unionize! You're welcome.

Huzzah! I have no idea why my archive search for "research assistant" or "research" didn't turn that up, but, such is life.

	23-05-2005 07:02									#13
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Charlie doesn't surf, Archive doesn't search.

You have to look it up, page by page.

Having the thread starter was a big help, though.

	23-05-2005 07:03									#14
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And Dissident made an ass of himself as well.

Whoda thunk it?

	23-05-2005 07:05									#15
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Loinburger: "Keep up the good work, Ted. And, for good measure, wrap around my ass."

	23-05-2005 07:05									#16
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Yeah, that thread was memorable due to the large standard deviation of ass-hattery in it -- the usual suspects were present, but some unexpected contributions were made by posters who were not ordinarily given over to douchebaggery.

	23-05-2005 08:00									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I think the argument was that it was part of education and therefore they didn't have the right to unionize any more than a normal student.

In case you never noticed, student associations are a form of union.

	23-05-2005 09:12									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I think the argument was that it was part of education and therefore they didn't have the right to unionize any more than a normal student.

And postdocs need to do research as part of their "education" so they can get professorships, professors need to do research so they can get tenure...

Put in a few 90 hour weeks and tell me it's not a real job...

	23-05-2005 09:45									#19
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quote: Originally posted by loinburger Yeah, if I remember correctly then [Kuciwalker] was one of the "I've been to high school, so I know everything there is to know about college" screech monkeys

QFFT

	23-05-2005 11:50									#20
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I remember when the Yale grad. students wanted the Yale employees to put their jobs on the line so that the students could try to form a union. That upset me a bit. Otherwise, I support graduate unions.