24-05-2005 20:19									#61
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Half of my ancestors come from Podkarpacie region in Poland. The other half from Podole region, nowdays in Ukraine, over former Polish-Moldavian (Romanian, Turkish) boarder. But officially my grandpa has Armenian roots,
and perhaps Jewish. My grandma doesn't have Polish/Ukrainian surname as well.

	24-05-2005 20:23									#62
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quote: Feb 2002 time: 18:21 New Post 24-05-2005 18:18 Click Here to See the Profile for Pekka Click here to Send Pekka a Private Message Find more posts by Pekka Add Pekka to your buddy list Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote link Report this post to a moderator Enter the AD-FREE zone Az, this way it's cool. You can make it up yourself. Let's say .. your father was a hardcore supercommando for the .. Hannibal, and he personally sliced a big wound to Alexander the Great. It was the Kalenputh Secret Society that erased this information, in order to glorify Alexander. But he was definitely hardcore and could throw knives like a superhero. He learned this trade from his dad, and it goes all the way back to ,,, human existence. All of them. Supercommandos. etc. Is this a good one or would you like another history? We can make him famous writer, , musician, what ever.

I don't have to make that cool. That history I know.

One of my grandfathers was a soviet secret service agent, who left just before stalin's purges, and the other was a colonel in the Red army, and he fought in WWII. Their ancestry, I don't know. neither do I know the ancestry of my grandmothers.

	24-05-2005 20:25									#63
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ok then. Sorry I asked damn it! Agent you say.. well that's pretty cool already in my book. Beats the knife throwers.

	24-05-2005 20:26									#64
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My dad's family's been here since the early 1800s.

But from what I understand, I have some English in me...some Russian...some German...and some Dutch. :/

	24-05-2005 20:33									#65
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My most immediate relation to a country other than America is Canada. My grandma -- who still speaks French almost exclusively -- hails from Québec as did my grandfather. My dad is slightly more eclectic. As best I can gather, that side of my family has been in country since at earliest the 1880s. They hailed from what is now the Czech Republic, and indeed my current last name is of Czech descent. There is also a chunk of Swedish, German, and allegedly Native American in me. In short, I am a mutt in the fullest and most exquisite sense of the word.

	24-05-2005 20:35									#66
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My paternal grandfather was a chicken thief.

	24-05-2005 20:47									#67
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Mostly German(includes some French of course), 1/8th Indian and Jewish respectively.

	24-05-2005 20:50									#68
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? jewish is a religion, not a nationality or ethnicity.

	24-05-2005 20:53									#69
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Funny, since I am both jewish and atheist.

	24-05-2005 20:53									#70
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Mostly German.
Some English.
A dab of Lokota and Cherokee.

(An all-American mutt )

	24-05-2005 20:56									#71
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Don't forget the Slavs and Albanians and Vlachs and Gypsies.

che you really don't have a clue

	24-05-2005 20:57									#72
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yeah you people are bunch of freaks. No wonder no one likes you. Arrogant like the French, humourless like the Germans and fat like .. well that one you created on your own. You think it's alwasy the good things.. but we all know it's the bad things. FACT.

	24-05-2005 21:00									#73
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people have complexes
But almost eveyone likes us, not that's obligatory or anything, it just happens.
It's just when we trhust our history at them they get all small penised and stuff

	24-05-2005 21:05									#74
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One thing that sucks with you Greeks. Do you know what it is? It's that you have some of the most unbelievably beautiful girls there, but when they hit 35 or so, they look the exact opposite. Why is that? Oh and ouzo SUSUUUUCKS!

But Theodorakis rules, and Tiesto ain't bad either. Excellent food, good beaches, lots of drunken stupid tourists. Nice sights. Hot. Good times!

	24-05-2005 21:07									#75
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I have traveled all over Europe but Finland is one country I havne't visited so I can't say.
The only finnish guy I ever met was gay so... I stop here. I reserve judgement untill I visit so I can say something nice too

	24-05-2005 21:10									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia ? jewish is a religion, not a nationality or ethnicity.

Semitic then.

	24-05-2005 21:10									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Verres Father's: Irish and English (seriously, unless you go back to the Vikings or something) Mother's: Irish and French-Arabic But I have an intense dislike of Irish people.

Would you care to explain why?

	24-05-2005 21:11									#78
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maybe you met tom of finland!

You are welcome, but I don't think you would like it in here. Then again, most say this is an exotic place, I just feel this is a boring place. Maybe you would find this exciting. Exciting at least in a way that I bet you'll get in trouble in night life if you don't have someone to back you up The exotic drunks! ****ing idiots.. I feel like fighting right now! But only bad people. I like good people.

One thing you should do though.. if you ever come here to visit and see places, what you really need to do is try to get in with the natives for the midsummers day, someone who takes you to their cabin for 3 day drinking orgy festival. Bring your own knives! No it's actually quite fun.

	24-05-2005 21:13									#79
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 che you really don't have a clue

Yeah, I'm sure you ethnically cleansed everyone who wasn't 100% Greek and could prove their ancestors had lived there since the time of Plato.

The Byzantine Emperors settled many Slavs in their lands, including Macedonia and Thessaly. Epirus was settled with Albanians and so was the Morea. Hell, if it hadn't been for the Ottomans, the Greeks probably would have become a minority in the whole of Greece. Only the islands would have remained Greek.

	24-05-2005 21:14									#80
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German all

There might be Jewish influence at some point, but the official facts speak against it. The name Rosenbusch just has a very special ring to it

	24-05-2005 21:15									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia ? jewish is a religion, not a nationality or ethnicity.

It most certainly is. There are genetic markers which occur much more frequenly among Jews than other groups, including Black Jews.

Plus, as Az notes, there are many atheist Jews.

	24-05-2005 21:15									#82
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Modern Greeks are 50% Turks and 50% Slavs, that's a proven fact. The ancient Greeks have been dying out since the 14th century.

	24-05-2005 21:16									#83
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Jewish is also an ethnicity. The Jews of Europe were / are not just Europeans who adopted a certain religion (unlike khazars) and then decided to collectively change their phenotypical characteristics. Guess where the word diaspora in your language comes from, if you have ever heard of it.

	24-05-2005 21:18									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Verres Father's: Irish and English (seriously, unless you go back to the Vikings or something) Mother's: Irish and French-Arabic But I have an intense dislike of Irish people.

So you are self hating Irish?

	24-05-2005 21:19									#85
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masochist

	24-05-2005 21:28									#86
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che you read some stuff in some book and all of the sudden you proclaim yourself the expert on all things.
you dont know half of it and what you know as i have noticed are hugely a miss. you probably never even been to greece.
and you dont know about the arvanites or the vlachoi or whatever who they are, how they are integrated or not in greek society, the history of each part ofthis country.
you're easily discussing about things you only glimpsed at a conotation and when i talk about it, and i know far more than you'd ever know about it, you jump on the "nationalist" wagon.
so once again

you're too simplistic and i have too few time

	24-05-2005 21:31									#87
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i think we're long overdue a flamewar about the ethnic origins of modern 'greeks'.

	24-05-2005 21:32									#88
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Half of my father's side is partly autochthonous of western Styria - at least we wouldn't know of anything else), the other half came from Bavaria, probably in the 18th century (they were beer brewers until the 1920s, mind you!)
On my mom's side, it's typical K&K Austrian mixed blend - a bit "German" Austrian, Bohemian, Hungarian, Slovenian, Gotschee-Slovenian (a specific German Slovenian minority), ...
"Unfortunately" there were no documents to trace the Aryan ancestry of my great grandfather a step further than necessary. Those baptismal documents were mysteriously lost. I wonder whether this had really been a coincidence or if there is also Jewish ancestry on this side.

	24-05-2005 21:32									#89
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There's no such things as Greeks, only Greek speaking Turks.

	24-05-2005 21:32									#90
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we're greeks, you're not.

that settles it for guys like oerdin and che