03-06-2005 04:58									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai Yes.

Are you sure? The 'common' people mostly couldn't read...

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You can print things other than text...

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Hmm, there should be a penalty for establishing more than one religion. That penalty should appear in the form of discontent among the citizens of said country.

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I think we've all been assuming that's in the game.

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Right. You know what they say about assuming.

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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder Are you sure? The 'common' people mostly couldn't read...

That's right, but for one the monopoly of Latin was breaked, resulting in Bibles in the common people's own language so that it was easier to understand. And now not only the clergy, but all who could read, could check for themselves what the Bible says.

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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Kuciwalker



Didn't the printing press make Bibles much more widely available and therefore more accessible to the common people, which helped cause the Protestant revolution?

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You're putting the cart before the horse.


'Protestant' revolts had taken place in England and France and Bohemia before the widespread use of the printing press and paper to disseminate 'heretical' views.

The heresy of Lollardy as expounded by Wycliffe/Wiclif in England survived into Tudor times in certain parishes and was communicated to mainland Europe by friendly clerics.

The Waldensian heresy began in Lyon and when it was persecuted, the believers sought refuge in Alpine valleys on the borders of northern Italy and Switzerland.


The Hussite heresy also started without the aid of printing presses in Bohemia.

All these heresies, in many ways precursors of Luther's revolt against the Church, didn't require the printing press, although as I've already mentioned, the Lollards and Wycliffe did believe in having the Bible in the English vernacular.


Even Martin Luther's revolt began without the aid of a translation of the Bible in the vernacular, and his famous theses were written in Latin- not a language greatly familiar to the majority of the people.

The revolt took place because of the perceived corruption and excesses of the Vatican and Catholic Church hierarchy in the Renaissance- clerics living luxurious lives, plurality of livings, parishes without priests, bishops and archbishops who never visited their sees, popes who held orgies in the Vatican, widespread clerico-papal nepotism, the Great Schism, clergy who fathered children, or nuns who gave birth to children, popes who were more interested in aggrandizing their families and estates than in spiritual welfare- all these are reasons why the revolts took place.


Luther didn't translate the Bible into German until after his break with the Church- and he certainly wasn't fond of the common people.

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quote: Originally posted by Locutus You can print things other than text... http://communication.ucsd.edu/bjones/Books/luther.html