29-05-2005 10:48									#1
	Does Civ4 required Internet? Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I hope not because I have Wireless that give me 1 Mbps to 36 Mbps even Guild Wars work well on 56Mbps but it's dont give me clear PvP, so I rather not have required a internet, I have ton fun playing with A.I Civ2 to Civ3, I'm looking forward this Civ4 if not required internet. I knew no one play PC game in my home town so that's why I'm play with A.I all myselt, poor me! : )

	29-05-2005 10:58									#2
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No, of course not. MP will be included, but the focus is, as always, the SP game.

	29-05-2005 11:17									#4
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Of course it'll require the Internet, how else are you supposed to get all the patches

	29-05-2005 11:29									#5
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What I mean is "Dose Civ4 require internet in order to play?" this better be no! As for patch, I download patch from other compter that give me up to 100 mbps and burning cd then I put cd in my gameing computer that give me 1 mbps that's is not worth it download, 23 hours, or time-out or ect... copy patch from there and upgrade Civ4, but hope it's bugfree however, it's should be!

	29-05-2005 11:31									#6
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The answer is still no.

	29-05-2005 13:18									#7
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Civ4 will be a Single player game at its core. This is why there is such an effort on the artificial intelligence. You will not require the internet to play it.

	29-05-2005 15:14									#8
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I already 'cry' about it because that statement fits 90% of all games

	29-05-2005 15:49									#9
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Com'on people. Just save up some bucks for the download if you're on Dial-In, and spam a bit less you know where if it's a limited volume thing with your provider.

	29-05-2005 17:32									#10
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Of course not. Civ is still a SP game, and I am much more interested in SP than MP despite having proper Internet access.

But yeah, patches and Apolyton are requirements for Civ .

	29-05-2005 17:34									#11
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* vovan thinks MMOTBS

	29-05-2005 17:35									#12
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quote: Originally posted by vovan * vovan thinks MMOTBS

Democracy games .

	29-05-2005 17:39									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio I already 'cry' about it because that statement fits 90% of all games

Care to let me know the 10%? I thought it was more like 1% if you exclude consoles...

	29-05-2005 18:48									#14
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The other 10% are abandoned and never get patched

	29-05-2005 19:19									#15
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quote: Originally posted by vovan * vovan thinks MMOTBS

I believe it has been tried before, sort of.

	29-05-2005 20:07									#16
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I think I go to pre-order on EB but do they have have Special DVD Edition? What stuff inside of them? I love to buy those if they have one! As long as Single player and dose not require the Internet!

	29-05-2005 20:39									#17
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I don't know if you can pre-order it yet.

	29-05-2005 21:46									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Care to let me know the 10%? I thought it was more like 1% if you exclude consoles...

If you only count professional games (games that takes at least a year to make), then it's more like 1% (if not less), while if we count all games that has ever been made it's probably closer to 10%...

Of course the number is just some "made up" number, I haven't actually searched for sources to support my claim

	29-05-2005 23:30									#19
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here for pre-order http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/255945.asp but I want Special DVD Edition or Special CD Edition.

	29-05-2005 23:43									#20
	Re: Does Civ4 required Internet? Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Reader81 I hope not because I have Wireless that give me 1 Mbps to 36 Mbps even Guild Wars work well on 56Mbps but it's dont give me clear PvP, so I rather not have required a internet, I have ton fun playing with A.I Civ2 to Civ3, I'm looking forward this Civ4 if not required internet. I knew no one play PC game in my home town so that's why I'm play with A.I all myselt, poor me! : )

I think many users still are at 0.5-1 Mbps, so you having only 1 Mbps is probably not an issue for anthing. I'm sure they won't make MP require a T1 connetion. And as of SP requiring internet I see no reason for that either.

	30-05-2005 00:05									#21
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Why you wimp about a 1mbit connection? I have it and rocks! I can play FPS like a charm with a lag of 30 ms. And the patches are just 10/20 mb each, so you can download it in 1 minute or so.

Really high bandwith is needed for downloading big files, not playing games or even downloading patches or demos (almost all sites cap the DL stream to 60 kbytes/s).

	30-05-2005 00:18									#22
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Especially since in multiplayer, the amount of data transmitted isn't too big, so 1 Mbit is not needed for that. With 1Mbit, you can transmit 128 KB data per second. That's a lot. I'm pretty sure there are no MP games that require such an amount of data transmission.

	30-05-2005 01:04									#23
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quote: Originally posted by GAZ082 Why you wimp about a 1mbit connection? I have it and rocks! I can play FPS like a charm with a lag of 30 ms. And the patches are just 10/20 mb each, so you can download it in 1 minute or so. Really high bandwith is needed for downloading big files, not playing games or even downloading patches or demos (almost all sites cap the DL stream to 60 kbytes/s).

Not 1 mbit, it's 1 Mbps, even try download 5 MB patch, it's all the time "time-out" or "computer think it's done but it's not done" and for multiplayer, you maybe can join with one other player but no more than thats. Even Guild Wars have no problem with PvE, Role-player but lot of problem with PvP, since lot of player, you unable to Pvp, even you make it in but it's lag and casue your whole team to lose, If you need multiplayer and download big file at least 5 MB then you need Cable or High Bandwith , not 56 dail up, they only good at web and e-mail but that's it. Well it's wont work for me on internet. Just only E-mail and Web work for me on my computer gameing, not download at least 5 mb and Multiplayer since no cable in my hometown

	30-05-2005 02:12									#24
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Ohhh, i see Well, as you said, you will have to DL some patches in a separate computer. But i think that multiplayer will rock in cIV, so why dont you think in a connection upgrade?

Last edited by GAZ082 on 30-05-2005 at 02:18

	30-05-2005 02:26									#25
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Multiplayer is only as good as the players playing it. Now, if you play against Apolytoners, should be fun.

	30-05-2005 02:46									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Multiplayer is only as good as the players playing it.

True, but multiplayer can be made much worse regardless of players if the engine does not support it well. As in Civ3, where MP is difficulty to get working at all (I never managed. ), and PBEMs "offer" numerous bugs and simply stupid game behaviour (like no battle animations for the attacked player). So, while not the most important thing, good multiplayer support is one of the most important issues when making CIV.

quote: Originally posted by Solver Now, if you play against Apolytoners, should be fun.

And short, if you happen to meet the wrong right people.

	30-05-2005 03:00									#27
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I trust Firaxis will make MP decent enough so that, at the very least, it works. Best case, it will actually be nice and easy to set up and play.

	30-05-2005 06:48									#28
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From the latest statement from Firaxis Marketing"

"Further, Civilization IV has been designed from the ground-up to deliver fantastic multiplayer gaming options"

"2005 will witness the release of Sid Meier's Civilization IV, the latest and coolest installment in the greatest strategy game series of all time. Civilization IV features breathtaking 3D graphics, cool reward movies, brilliant audio and music, and, most importantly, the best and most addictive gameplay of any strategy game ever created"

I'd say they are planning on a pretty good release for both the SP and MP communities, and an MP option that simply works for those of you that never got MP to work in C3C!

CS

	30-05-2005 15:59									#29
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But hopefully SP will still be where the focus lies. Civ is a SP game, and so it should stay.

	31-05-2005 00:20									#30
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without internet how does one post here