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Space05us is offline Space05us
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How effective do you think a keychain blade would be in a fight. For example, those little box cutters they make for keychains. Do you suppose I would be better off with my hands alone?

This question assumes that I am put in a position where I cannot run, because if I have a choice between fight or flight I'd ****ing run!

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you live in the states, cant you just carry a grenade launcher with you or something?

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Unless your Steven Segal, probably not too effective.

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your neighborhood isn't that rough is it?

they are a concealed weapon (though shorter than 3 inches). It is possible to face legal trouble for using it. As it's still an assault with a deadly weapon.

You seem to get in a lot of fights and confrontations. Must be all that eye contact. . Just walk away.

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your neighborhood isn't that rough is it?

they are a concealed weapon (though shorter than 3 inches). It is possible to face legal trouble for using it. As it's still an assault with a deadly weapon.

You seem to get in a lot of fights and confrontations. Must be all that eye contact. . Just walk away.


No, my neighborhood isnt that rough, but its better to be safe than sorry.

Its not like I would actively seek out people to cut up, it would be for self defence.

Ive not been in a fight since grade school sir. I do a fine job of walking away most of the times. The simple fact is that I walk a lot around here. One day something will happen, its just a matter of when.

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you live in the states, cant you just carry a grenade launcher with you or something?


I could carry a rifle or shotgun strapped on my back. In a few months I can openly carry a handgun. I was looking for something that wouldnt scare people so much.

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you do meet a lot of weirdos when walking. But walked around when I was younger.

Generally ignoring them works best. Just don't be an ******* about ignoring them. Just say you don't have any change and move on. Where I live lots of people ask you for money. They aren't bums either. They all give you this sob story about their car breaking down and needing money for the bus.

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In Albuquerque you will come up against a lot of vatos who practice Mexican Judo, so just prepare for that.

So you know Mexican Judo is like this;

"Judon't know if I got a gun... judon't know if I got a knife... Judon't know nothing."

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In Albuquerque you will come up against a lot of vatos who practice Mexican Judo, so just prepare for that.

So you know Mexican Judo is like this;

"Judon't know if I got a gun... judon't know if I got a knife... Judon't know nothing."


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No not effective. You have to be a really good fighter to make the difference with that in _real_ fight. In push and shove match, sure, in real rumble, better just forget it.

Also, if you are going to bring small 'blade', better accept that the opponent might then grab something bigger and use that.

If you are going to use that in a fight, you have to use it as a surprise weapon, concealing it first, making the first move by moving in fast and stabbing your opponent in the stomach fast as many times as you can and flee.

I just can't see any realistic use for it, sorry.

Basically, if you carry a knife, carry a good one then. That's like carrying a replica that doesn't even look too real. Might be more dangerous to you in the end.

Only way to use it is conceal it and surprise in flurry.

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If you are going to use that in a fight, you have to use it as a surprise weapon, concealing it first, making the first move by moving in fast and stabbing your opponent in the stomach fast as many times as you can and flee.


I have a lanyard that I carry in my hand while I walk to work already. I wrap the lanyard around my hand and keep the keys palmed. I figured I could keep a small kinfe in my palm instead of the keys it would make a more effective weapon, because then I could slash, stab, or choke instead of just choking.

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Jesus, dude. You need to chill out. You're not in Albert Speer's neighborhood, are you?

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The polar bears must be getting uppity!

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Jesus, dude. You need to chill out. You're not in Albert Speer's neighborhood, are you?


No. As I already said, its just in case. I came from a small town where when people got into fights it was with thier fists. When people get into fights here its with weapons. I dont want to be caught off gaurd. I also already said I would prefer running to fighting, but if it came to it I want to be able to defend myself.

I dont have time or money for martial arts lessons, so I have to turn to weapons.

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Most of the fights around there are most likely gang related, and if you ain't in a gain or dating one of the gang members sister, mom, cousin, aunt, daughter, etc. you're fine.

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In an actual proper fight with physical contact, a switchblade will be more effective than a larger knife because the former is far easier to control... remember in a knife attack you're not looking to kill outright, you're looking to inflict pain or debilitating injuries (which obviously affects your defensive strategy). If you just want to intimidate, bring out the meat cleaver.

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Jesus, dude. You need to chill out.

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Most of the fights around there are most likely gang related, and if you ain't in a gain or dating one of the gang members sister, mom, cousin, aunt, daughter, etc. you're fine.


I know that too. But I walk miles everyday. I dont get the luxury of sitting in my car and viewing the world from a plush seat. Im out there walking amongst the homeless, the drug dealers, the thugs et al. I dont get a hard shell like a tortise so I need claws like a tiger!

The people Ive met from here even tell me I should carry some sort of weapon just in case the **** hits the fan.

Dont get the wrong impression, it really is a nice neighborhood.

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Dont get the wrong impression, it really is a nice neighborhood.


If it's just a matter of time before you get in a fight just from walking down the street, I think it's you who's got the wrong impression about it being a nice neighborhood.

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How effective do you think a keychain blade would be in a fight. For example, those little box cutters they make for keychains. Do you suppose I would be better off with my hands alone?

This question assumes that I am put in a position where I cannot run, because if I have a choice between fight or flight I'd ****ing run!


You're more likely to have it knocked out of your hand, then have it used to cut your throat, put your eyes out, or for someone to carve some memorable (to you, at least, every time you look in the mirror) saying into your skin.

You don't need a big knife for a fighting knife - as Bull Simon used to say, what the **** are you going to do with it, sharpen it when it sticks out the other end?

You do need a proper size and fitted handgrip, and proper weight and balance of the overall knife. That means those little keychain boxcutters, or their big brothers at Home Depot, are out. The big brother versions can be effective against an idiot, but if you have to escalate against anyone with decent experience, or just too much size, strength and aggression for both of your good, then you'll have some serious trouble once your arm is broken and/or torn out of its socket.

I personally prefer Mad Dog's fighting knives for something smaller than an Ang Khola, but currently Mad Dog takes months to produce stuff and he doesn't give a damn, because he knows the waiting list for his hardware is a mile long.

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If it's just a matter of time before you get in a fight just from walking down the street, I think it's you who's got the wrong impression about it being a nice neighborhood.


A fact of life, being a man means you will be in fights. Or maybe I just have too much testosterone? Maybe Im a, gasp, alpha male? Yes I like the sound of that.

And I walk all over the place, in and out of my neighborhood. Many times with my mom, and if someone approaches in a hostile manner while Im walking with my mom they better be ready to kill or be killed!

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I dont have time or money for martial arts lessons, so I have to turn to weapons.


It won't cost you any money to get killed, and you'll have a long time afterwards.

An untrained fool with a weapon basically just rolls some virtual dice with "dead", "maimed", or "lucky as hell" instead of numbers. When you pull a weapon on someone, you may well force the situation to escalate to a point you can't handle.

The biggest benefit you'll get from martial arts (which isn't necessarily expensive, especially if you avoid the BS belt factories) is situational awareness and the ability to project a sense of confidence and capability that will let you avoid and/or deescalate confrontations.

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A fact of life, being a man means you will be in fights. Or maybe I just have too much testosterone?


At least the testosterone to brains ratio is too high.

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Maybe Im a, gasp, alpha male? Yes I like the sound of that.


I was thinking more "teenage twit who'll be lucky if his delusions don't cause his mouth to write any checks his ass can't cash."

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A fact of life, being a man means you will be in fights. Or maybe I just have too much testosterone?


As a man, there is a special description for getting into fights: assault.

Don't end up in the clink.

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"I was thinking more "teenage twit who'll be lucky if his delusions don't cause his mouth to write any checks his ass can't cash."



Yup

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Space, seriously, drop the blade or get a decent one. My suggestion is you drop it all together... there's something about dudes getting hurt who carry weapons of any kind more than the dudes who don't carry anything.

If it's for purely self defense, why not go whole 9 yards then? If you carry blade of any kind, then carry the best kind. If you get into knife fight, you don't want to be hanging on to a keychain. Then again, if you face a gun, that's it. Other people might conceal weapons too, so when you draw yours, they might draw a gun on you. I would draw a gun on someone who pulls a knife on me, if I had one.

Seriously man, in here, people carry knives, but they also use them. There's no ifs buts and ands, if you carry one and expose it, you're getting into something else.

If you are however going to carry one, get a real fighting knife, or switch blade. And LEARN how to use them or you end up hurting yourself. What you want to do with a knife, there are few fundamental things. Against gun there really is no set of rules if you carry a knife, since the only rule is stay away of line of fire which can be done close range only. And even then you should practice it A LOT and not check out a series of pics from some book, you will fail if it's not coming from your backbone.

Facing another knife, fundamentals are to not lose your knife, and to rather stick than cut. Again, stay out of the line of the knife movement, especially if stick. Keep distance. IN gun fight you want to be close (if you are unarmed and can't escape), with knives, you don't want to be close. Also if you are unexperienced, the best chance you have is countering.

If you are facing someone without gun and knife and you have the knife, the only fundamental rule is not to lose yours, because if you lose your knife, you'll get stabbed with it for sure.

Remember, you have to train knife fighting to be able to do it. It's simple, but not that simple. If you have to remember only few things and you can't train in knife fighting, then those should be that never lose your knife, and stay out of the range.

But I'd say in general if you carry a knife, bigger odds are you'll get hurt.

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carry a pen thats pretty solid, but not too fat.

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