03-06-2005 07:24									#1
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Instead of capturing cities... I destroy them in order to maintain the ethnicity of my Civ. empire. I hope that option remains.

Yes, I'm a bastard that way.

	03-06-2005 07:28									#2
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I think it would be cool if Civs renamed captured cities with the name of the old city in the new conqueror's language.

Examples:

Constantinople (Byzantine) --> Istanbul (Turkish)
Strassburg (German) --> Strasbourg (French)
Dallas (American) --> Hicktown (Canadian)

Last edited by Alexander01 on 03-06-2005 at 22:38

	03-06-2005 07:35									#3
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quote: City name changing

Ah, yes indeed. Often did I find it offensive for one Civ. to retain the name of a conquered city.

I actually took a city over just to change a name; and then give it back.

	03-06-2005 09:09									#4
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quote: Originally posted by KyuuA4 Instead of capturing cities... I destroy them in order to maintain the ethnicity of my Civ. empire. I hope that option remains. Yes, I'm a bastard that way.

Wonderful. Ethnic cleansing in Civ. What next? Starving cities to keep unrest down like Stalin? (oh wait, I already do that )

	03-06-2005 09:13									#5
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quote: Wonderful. Ethnic cleansing in Civ. What next? Starving cities to keep unrest down like Stalin? (oh wait, I already do that )

Reduce a Civ down to just one city and maintain status of war only to continuously bomb that remaining city. Target practice.

	03-06-2005 12:30									#6
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This is probably something we shouldn't try to out do each other on.

	03-06-2005 15:37									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander01 I think it would be cool if Civs renamed captured cities with the name of the old city in the new conqueror's language. Examples: Constantinople (Byzantine) --> Istanbul (Turkish) Stassburg (German) --> Strasbourg (French) Dallas (American) --> Hicktown (Canadian)

I agree to this

Though the last time I proposed this idea most other posters said it was a bad idea blah blah blah

	03-06-2005 16:16									#8
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Actually it is a cool idea to name change.

Perhaps, it could signal when a ciry is successfully assimilated


From game:

"Sir, St. Petersburg is now fully assimilated by our Bolshevik forces! It shall be known from now on as Leningrad!"

	03-06-2005 16:38									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio I agree to this Though the last time I proposed this idea most other posters said it was a bad idea blah blah blah

The problem is that in the city lists we have cities that appear more than once under different civilisations - what about York/Eburacum/Jorvik or London/Londinium or Paris/Lutetia for example...that would really complicate this feature I'm afraid

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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison The problem is that in the city lists we have cities that appear more than once under different civilisations - what about York/Eburacum/Jorvik or London/Londinium or Paris/Lutetia for example...that would really complicate this feature I'm afraid

Well, they could always eliminate the redudnancies among civs... though that way the Romans would have no Londinium. The Byzantines would have Constantinople, but the Greeks, Romans, and Turks couldn't, unless they conquered it...

Hmm... maybe just in a scenario...

	03-06-2005 21:02									#11
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why should they stick to their version of the original name? I think it would be easier to implement and generaly more interesting if the cities changed their names in regard to their leader.

Example:

Volgograd -> Stalingrad
Saigon -> Ho Chi Minh City

etc.

"Sir, we just captured York. For your glory, we shall rename it Lincolnbourg :P "

Tomasz

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Or Alexandria.

Trouble is, you can only have so many cities named after you.
It'd get old REAL fast.

	03-06-2005 22:33									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander01 I think it would be cool if Civs renamed captured cities with the name of the old city in the new conqueror's language. Examples: Constantinople (Byzantine) --> Istanbul (Turkish) Stassburg (German) --> Strasbourg (French) Dallas (American) --> Hicktown (Canadian)

The problem being that most cities would not have any equivalent for most countries.

	03-06-2005 22:39									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker The problem being that most cities would not have any equivalent for most countries.

Only the ancient civilizations. Babylon wouldn't know what to call Washington or Paris, that's for sure.

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quote: why should they stick to their version of the original name? I think it would be easier to implement and generaly more interesting if the cities changed their names in regard to their leader.

Yes, indeed Constantinople wasn't renamed Istanbul by the Turks when they conquered it, but only after the fall of the Ottoman empire, when Attaturk decided to rip it from its capital status and move the capital to Ankara.

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quote: Originally posted by LDiCesare Yes, indeed Constantinople wasn't renamed Istanbul by the Turks when they conquered it, but only after the fall of the Ottoman empire, when Attaturk decided to rip it from its capital status and move the capital to Ankara.

Well, Istanbul is simply Constantinople in Turkish. It's a Turkish "I" prefix plus the main consonantal trunk of the word.

Examples:

Constantinople --> Istanbul (I + Stan + Ple)
Smyrna --> Izmir (I + Smyr)

	04-06-2005 02:12									#17
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quote: The problem being that most cities would not have any equivalent for most countries.

There won't be a need for any "equivalent" names. Heck, the selection of a new name could simply be chosen from a random list of the Civ. taking the city over.

Heck, Paris should be renamed to "Sissytown"...

	04-06-2005 02:43									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander01 Only the ancient civilizations. Babylon wouldn't know what to call Washington or Paris, that's for sure.

No one would know what to call the American cities. And what would the Romans call Chinese or Japanese cities? What would the Aztecs call Mali cities?

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quote: Originally posted by LDiCesare Yes, indeed Constantinople wasn't renamed Istanbul by the Turks when they conquered it, but only after the fall of the Ottoman empire, when Attaturk decided to rip it from its capital status and move the capital to Ankara.

I believe that's just when Western mapmakers changed its name.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I believe that's just when Western mapmakers changed its name.

That's correct. Turks always called it Istanbul, it being the name of the city in their language.

Post WWI was when British and American cartographers began to use foreign place names instead of the English versions. After all, Constantinople is only what English speakers call it.

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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 Wonderful. Ethnic cleansing in Civ. What next? Starving cities to keep unrest down like Stalin? (oh wait, I already do that )

Kind of odd; you might be able to do ethnic cleansing and mass genocide in Civ4 but you may not be able to poison water supply or suitcase nuke a little ol' city.

Me no understand this logic...

	04-06-2005 04:17									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker No one would know what to call the American cities. And what would the Romans call Chinese or Japanese cities? What would the Aztecs call Mali cities?

Bostonium
Augusta Chicagoensis

Timbuktapam
Timbacalco

Hanchorium (Hangchow)
Nagoren (Nagoya)

I'm just playin around with names.
In all seriousness, this name changing is neat, and I have done it, but IMO might be a little extra for the stock game...

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If the United States conquers Canada... would Canadian cities be changed? If so, how would you rename them?

Of course, I'd be offended having a US city by the name of Quebec or Montreal.

	04-06-2005 10:07									#24
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quote: Originally posted by KyuuA4 If the United States conquers Canada... would Canadian cities be changed? If so, how would you rename them? Of course, I'd be offended having a US city by the name of Quebec or Montreal.

We'd keep the Canadian names.

	05-06-2005 10:32									#25
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quote: Originally posted by KyuuA4 Reduce a Civ down to just one city and maintain status of war only to continuously bomb that remaining city. Target practice.

hey the first cheat
if you do this too often in C4, will they get a promotion
+1 city bombard

I realy am wondering


Cant one rename a city when ever they want?
Right click --done

	05-06-2005 10:38									#26
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Am I to understand that the ability to name our own cities is being hamstrung by Firaxis, or are we only talking theoreticals here?

Annihilation of cities a la SMAC I whole-heartedly support, with the caveat that there has to be a point in history where that becomes a far bigger no-no than, say, in ancient times. As for name changing, I like the idea of being given the option to do so after the successful assimilation of a city.

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quote: Am I to understand that the ability to name our own cities is being hamstrung by Firaxis, or are we only talking theoreticals here?

The latter.

	08-06-2005 20:53									#28
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Iīd like for destroyed cities to be still visible on the map.

For example as a set of ruins with the former name of the city and its date of destruction being displayed [either all the time, or at the moment you move over the ruins [like a tooltip] or only if you look examine the tile where the ruins are) (of course with being able still built a new city over it and the ruins not having any influence over the food/production/gold you get from this field (or the improvements you can build there )

You could also do it in form of a map overlay, which (like the grid) could be switched on or off in the options menu (so that [if you are very warlike] you donīt have the whole world flooded with ruins of destroyed cities and arenīt able to see the underlying terrain icon anymore )

	08-06-2005 23:17									#29
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I approve. I would love to survey a map of the vanquished Russian Empire (for some reason, Russians were always my big enemies in Civ games) and see my handiwork of destruction forever and ever.

	08-06-2005 23:21									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Proteus_MST Iīd like for destroyed cities to be still visible on the map. For example as a set of ruins with the former name of the city and its date of destruction being displayed [either all the time, or at the moment you move over the ruins [like a tooltip] or only if you look examine the tile where the ruins are) (of course with being able still built a new city over it and the ruins not having any influence over the food/production/gold you get from this field (or the improvements you can build there ) You could also do it in form of a map overlay, which (like the grid) could be switched on or off in the options menu (so that [if you are very warlike] you donīt have the whole world flooded with ruins of destroyed cities and arenīt able to see the underlying terrain icon anymore )

They added that in C3C.