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By Robert Burns The Associated Press
Published: Jun 3, 2005

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Pentagon on Friday released new details about mishandling of the Quran at the Guantanamo Bay prison for terror suspects, confirming that a soldier deliberately kicked the Muslim holy book and that an interrogator stepped on a Quran and was later fired for "a pattern of unacceptable behavior."
In other confirmed incidents, water balloons thrown by prison guards caused an unspecified number of Qurans to get wet; a guard's urine came through an air vent and splashed on a detainee and his Quran; and in a confirmed but ambiguous case, a two-word obscenity was written in English on the inside cover of a Quran.

The findings, released after normal business hours Friday evening, are among the results of an investigation last month by Brig. Gen. Jay Hood, the commander of the detention center in Cuba, that was triggered by a Newsweek magazine report - later retracted - that a U.S. soldier had flushed one Guantanamo Bay detainee's Quran down a toilet.

The story stirred worldwide controversy and the Bush administration blamed it for deadly demonstrations in Afghanistan.

Hood said in a written statement released Friday evening, along with the new details, that his investigation "revealed a consistent, documented policy of respectful handling of the Quran dating back almost 2 1/2 years."

Hood said that of nine mishandling cases that were studied in detail by reviewing thousands of pages of written records, five were confirmed to have happened. He could not determine conclusively whether the four others took place.

In one of those four unconfirmed cases, a detainee in April 2003 complained to FBI and other interrogators that guards "constantly defile the Quran." The detainee alleged that in one instance a female military guard threw a Quran into a bag of wet towels to anger another detainee, and he also alleged that another guard said the Quran belonged in the toilet and that guards were ordered to do these things.

Hood said he found no other record of this detainee mentioning any Quran mishandling. The detainee has since been released.

In the most recent confirmed case of urine splashing on a detainee and his Quran, Hood said the complaint was made by a detainee on March 25, 2005. An unidentified guard admitted at the time that "he was at fault," the Hood report said, adding that his supervisor reprimanded him and assigned him to gate guard duty where he had no contact with detainees for the remainder of his assignment at Guantanamo Bay.

In that case, the guard had left his observation post and went outside to urinate, according to Hood's findings. He urinated near an air vent and the wind blew his urine through the vent into the cell block.

Hood also said his investigation found 15 cases of detainees mishandling their own Qurans. "These included using a Quran as a pillow, ripping pages out of the Quran, attempting to flush a Quran down the toilet and urinating on the Quran," Hood's report said. It offered no possible explanation for the detainees' motives.

Last week, Hood disclosed that he had confirmed five cases of mishandling of the Quran, but he refused to provide details. Allegations of Quran desecration at Guantanamo Bay have led to anti-American passions in many Muslim nations, although Pentagon officials have insisted that the problems were relatively minor and that U.S. commanders have gone to great lengths to enable detainees to practice their religion in captivity.

Hood said last week that he found no credible evidence that a Quran was ever flushed down a toilet. He said a prisoner who was reported to have complained to an FBI agent in 2002 that a military guard threw a Quran in the toilet has since told Hood's investigators that he never witnessed any form of Quran desecration.

Other prisoners who were returned to their home countries after serving time at Guantanamo Bay as terror suspects have alleged Quran desecration by U.S. guards, and some have said a Quran was placed in a toilet.

There are about 540 detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Some have been there more than three years without being charged with a crime. Most were captured on the battlefields of Afghanistan in 2001 and 2002 and were sent to Guantanamo Bay in hope of extracting useful intelligence about the al-Qaida terrorist network.

Both President Bush and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld have denounced an Amnesty International report that called the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay "the gulag of our time."

The president told reporters at a press conference on Tuesday that the report by the human-rights group was "absurd."

On Wednesday, Rumsfeld called the characterization "reprehensible" and said the U.S. military had taken care to ensure that detainees were free to practice their religion. However, he also acknowledged that some detainees had been mistreated, even "grievously" at times.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8090656/

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Isn't this a pattern now?

The Liberal media tell lies about Bush!!! The Rather letter is a fake!!! (but everything it said was true)

The Liberal media tell lies about Gitmo!!! We never flushed the Koran down the lav!!!! (we did piss on it though)

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Really, what is the problem ? A bunch of paper is hit by water and so what ?

Was what was written on that paper the sole remains of something ? No, it was just something that can be bought in any ordinary bookstore.

No need to make a big fuss about this.

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This was sooooo two weeks ago

The really important News is jacko now!

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It's like: "How dare you call us murderers!!! We're rapists!!!"

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that's pretty funny..

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He urinated near an air vent and the wind blew his urine through the vent into the cell block.


Aren't our guys trained to use the latrine.

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Really, what is the problem ? A bunch of paper is hit by water and so what ?

Was what was written on that paper the sole remains of something ? No, it was just something that can be bought in any ordinary bookstore.

No need to make a big fuss about this.


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Really, what is the problem ? A bunch of paper is hit by water and so what ?

Was what was written on that paper the sole remains of something ? No, it was just something that can be bought in any ordinary bookstore.

No need to make a big fuss about this.


* cough * Flag burning * cough *


Not that I care 'bout either.

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Really, what is the problem ? A bunch of paper is hit by water and so what ?

Was what was written on that paper the sole remains of something ? No, it was just something that can be bought in any ordinary bookstore.

No need to make a big fuss about this.



So glad you don't have a problem with protestors burning the US flag, then.

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Do those particular, individual retarded US soldiers in the article think they are helping us with our problem with the Islamic world with their abuse?

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* cough * Flag burning * cough *


Not that I are 'bout either.


Really, what is the difference between burning some cloth and pouring water on paper ?

Ouch

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This is crazy. Muslims are assassinating each other inside mosques in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan and the headlines are about this?

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Two wrongs do not make a right, DanS -- we can deplore both acts as stupid.

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Relative sacrilege.

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The Muslims who abhor acts from both sides sincerely believe that the Quran and their mosques are sacred.

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This is crazy. Muslims are assassinating each other inside mosques in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan and the headlines are about this?


This isn't about the act itself. It's about :

1) The fact that we've justified out little overseas adventures based on the idea that we're a model for the rest of the world to emulate. We're still better than the Islamic fundamentalists but, really, how much a challenge is that?

2) The fact that the Bush administration has lied its ass off about nearly every aspect of its splendid little war.

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The fact that we've justified out little overseas adventures based on the idea that we're a model for the rest of the world to emulate.


Who ever said that? This is straight from RTF's imagination.

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The fact that the Bush administration has lied its ass off about nearly every aspect of its splendid little war


Which has nothing to do with this discussion, even if true.

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At least we didn't flush it down the toilet.

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Who ever said that? This is straight from RTF's imagination.


Read Bush's second inaugural address, for starters.


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Which has nothing to do with this discussion, even if true.


Of course it does. You wanted to know why its in the headlines? Because our administration has at best lost control of its military grunts, and at worst is actually condoning this kind of nastiness. The publich should now about that. In some ways, sadly, its actually more like news than the daily Iraq body count, which is know so routine and predictable its starting to resemble the weather reports in LA.

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Some Americans wonder why some of the Muslim population in the world hates us, and then when some Americans commit outrages too many Americans shrug their shoulders and refuse to take the outrages seriously. Then, they continue wondering with naivity why some of the Muslim population in the world hates us . . . . . . .



and the cycle go round and round.

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This is "losing control of its military grunts"?

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This is "losing control of its military grunts"?


Given that the administration will inevitably trot out the few-bad-apples defense, sure. We seem to be operating our military detention centers using a manual written by Col. Kurtz.

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Given that the administration will inevitably trot out the few-bad-apples defense, sure.




Is this losing control, or isn't it? The spin after the fact has nothing to do with the objective fact.

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Read Bush's second inaugural address, for starters.


I'm starting not to take you seriously, Rufus. Afghanistan was justified by 9/11 and Iraq was justified by WMD (which never showed up). As far as I know, those are our only overseas adventures at this point.

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I'm starting not to take you seriously, Rufus. Afghanistan was justified by 9/11 and Iraq was justified by WMD (which never showed up).


Right. And once it turned out that WMD were a fiction, the Bushies actually said, repeatedly, that it was never about WMD to begin with. By the second inaugural -- when popular support for the war was falling -- the Bushies had of necessity dreamed up a whole new justification: spreading the American Way of Life. I'm not the one who keeps changing the reasoning on this; its your guys, Dan.

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So, is this losing control or isn't it, Rufus? Don't give me the same BS answer you gave above.

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That DanS can still "seriously" claim that the Iraq war was justified because of WMDs despite all the contrary evidence is just amazing.

 
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