10-06-2005 05:30									#121
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun EDIT: I'm really, really getting tired of cross posting

Maybe you should learn to use the quote button. Failing that, you can always hit quote for the post to which you were responding, copy the text box, and post it in your old post. I do it all the time, which is why you never see me cross-posted.

	10-06-2005 05:30									#122
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quote: You had your chance to avoid this fate but refused.

i know. someone should have shot lincoln a few years earlier . . .

	10-06-2005 05:44									#123
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist And what you are interested in is relevant how?

To how I respond to inane posts.

	10-06-2005 05:51									#124
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I seriously don't see what's so wrong abou the statement in the OP.

A lobby of gay veterans has lobbied. It didn't impact the current policies of Texas. What I see is outrage (the Repugs don't care for our veterans!!1 ) at the fact that veterans couldn't obtain something they wanted after lobbying.

If there is tomorrow a homophobe veteran association that lobbies Massachussettes so that it bans gay marriage, and if this lobby is turned down, will you guys scream "liberals don't support the troops!!1 " ?

	10-06-2005 05:53									#125
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Libruls aren't supposed to support the troops.

	10-06-2005 05:58									#126
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Libruls are a bunch of wine and cheese swillin' Godless French lovin' Saddam apologists.

	10-06-2005 06:00									#127
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What's wrong with wine and cheese?

	10-06-2005 06:02									#128
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It suggests you've got taste, which suggests you're gay. Duh!

	10-06-2005 06:05									#129
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara What's wrong with wine and cheese?

I am well stocked with good French wines and both French and non-French cheeses. Not to mention tons of Orangina.

Vive la France!

	10-06-2005 06:12									#131
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While the best French wine is indeed a mighty thing to behold, the weather there is too unpriductable, and a bad year is just as likely as a good one. Italian wines are almost always better than French, except when France has a great year. This, however, is a recent phenomenon, since Italy didn't have quality appelations until the 80s.

	10-06-2005 06:25									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I seriously don't see what's so wrong abou the statement in the OP. A lobby of gay veterans has lobbied. It didn't impact the current policies of Texas. What I see is outrage (the Repugs don't care for our veterans!!1 ) at the fact that veterans couldn't obtain something they wanted after lobbying. If there is tomorrow a homophobe veteran association that lobbies Massachussettes so that it bans gay marriage, and if this lobby is turned down, will you guys scream "liberals don't support the troops!!1 " ?

Because what gay veterans would like to have is equal rights.



Homophobic veterans are not asking for equal rights.

	10-06-2005 06:30									#133
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Maybe you should learn to use the quote button.

Yeah, because I have never used it in the past because I never knew about this feature, right?

	10-06-2005 06:41									#134
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Because what gay veterans would like to have is equal rights. Homophobic veterans are not asking for equal rights.

So, basically, the reason why you agree with them is because you agree with their cause, NOT because they're veterans.

I agree with their cause too. But I don't think their status as veterans gives them any special right of being more listened to than any other citizen.

The "Conservatives don't support the troops!!1" argument is off-topic at best. At worst, it's an emotional manipulation, as it surfs on America's pro-military mentality to get a message across.

	10-06-2005 06:45									#135
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara While the best French wine is indeed a mighty thing to behold, the weather there is too unpriductable, and a bad year is just as likely as a good one. Italian wines are almost always better than French, except when France has a great year. This, however, is a recent phenomenon, since Italy didn't have quality appelations until the 80s.

Things are changing. Our wine industry is taking steps to produce a homogeneous taste every year.

	10-06-2005 07:03									#136
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor The "Conservatives don't support the troops!!1" argument is off-topic at best. At worst, it's an emotional manipulation, as it surfs on America's pro-military mentality to get a message across.

The idea is to point out the hypocracy of the republicans (who generally support the veterans above pretty much everything short of the oil business and venerate their service to the country in the military as one of the best things those soldiers could have done). Although it does come off as off-topic I think.

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quote: I am well stocked with good French wines and both French and non-French cheeses. Not to mention tons of Orangina.

Orangina

	10-06-2005 08:01									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor So, basically, the reason why you agree with them is because you agree with their cause, NOT because they're veterans. I agree with their cause too. But I don't think their status as veterans gives them any special right of being more listened to than any other citizen. The "Conservatives don't support the troops!!1" argument is off-topic at best. At worst, it's an emotional manipulation, as it surfs on America's pro-military mentality to get a message across.

Shame on me for advocating for something so corrupt as equal rights.

	10-06-2005 20:22									#139
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Wow, for a governor to tell gay veterans to leave if they don't like it, this has got to be a new low.

Just what price does one need to pay for respect and equality in one's own country? Putting your life on the line in combat isn't enough? I guess it isn't ... in Texas.

	10-06-2005 20:33									#140
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Remember, the South is where they used to lynch Black vets.

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quote: Originally posted by mindseye Wow, for a governor to tell gay veterans to leave if they don't like it, this has got to be a new low.

Given that even if he wanted to, he couldn't change the law what would you have had him say?

	10-06-2005 20:43									#142
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That he disapproved of the law and encouraged Texans to get rid of it.

	10-06-2005 20:44									#143
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Let's assume that he'd like to be elected again.

	10-06-2005 20:58									#144
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Then why bring up your previous point?

	10-06-2005 21:04									#145
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat They most likely have a considerable degree more shootin' hardware and an even more considerable degree of proficiency in the use thereof than do libruls and other such sorts. Not to mention a disproportionately higher representation in military service.

quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Crewed by southerners.

Someone has been taking 'The Turner Diaries' a little too seriously, eh?

	10-06-2005 22:09									#146
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Given that even if he wanted to, he couldn't change the law what would you have had him say?

Well if the governor had any spine, I'm sure he could have chosen a more tactful approach. Or -- god forbid -- sincere, respectful approach.

	10-06-2005 22:55									#147
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lack of "spine" = disagreement with your views?

Face facts, you've got a big portion of the country who views homosexuality as a chosen, sinful, deviate behavior which disgusts them. Why would you expect them to be "tactful" or "respectful."

We're still dicking around with evolution in schools, ten commandments statues in state buildings, and comparisons of abortion to the holocaust and genocide in this country, so not only are there tens of millions of people in this country who likely agree with Perry, they're a far more monolithic, "moral issues" driven voting bloc than are those who either openly support gay marriage, or those who really don't care.

	10-06-2005 23:04									#148
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When these political weasels get into the field, get their hands dirty and actually do something
to defend the USA in times of war, then they can have the right to deride the brave GIs…

Of whatever sexual orientation.

Moronic religious dribble from politicians is by far the biggest danger to the USA these days...

	10-06-2005 23:19									#149
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On that we can agree.

	10-06-2005 23:42									#150
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It doesn't have to be moronic religious drivel specifically, there's more than enough moronic drivel of every kind coming from our beloved politicians.