10-06-2005 18:13									#91
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I'd say egocentrism and positive discrimination of friends and associates is part of basic human nature.

	10-06-2005 18:29									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger It seems that the far right in Sweden is much lefter than what passes for the left in the US.

Which makes them far far better than what passes for the left in China.

quote: Ergo, capitalism is more likely to be replaced by a new mode of production - a new mode of exploitation, if you prefer - than by a revolution of the kind Marx envisioned.

But of course
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quote: Capitalism still needs capital accumulation to survive, and capital can not continue to accumulate indefinitely. The error is a timing error.

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quote: Originally posted by Bosh Which makes them far far better than what passes for the left in China.

You consider what passes for the left in China to be far far worse than incompetent thugs?

	10-06-2005 19:08									#94
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT quote: Well, it is true. The want of excess property is counter-productive to the struggle for socialism. So, you're saying that basic human nature is counter-productive to the struggle for socialism? It's what we've been telling y'all all along!

I´m not talking of basic human nature here (I´m not even sure there is such a concept). The actions and opinions of people regarding property is, of course, dictated by the political and economical system which we live in.

	10-06-2005 19:10									#95
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I think people wishing to own their property goes back further than industrial era political concepts.

In reality, hardcore communistic ideas are against the spirit of humanity.

Hence, why it never has worked.

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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist You consider what passes for the left in China to be far far worse than incompetent thugs?

I guess competant thugs are worse than incompetnant thugs.

	10-06-2005 20:43									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist You consider what passes for the left in China to be far far worse than incompetent thugs?

But of course.
American rightists don't collude in large-scale murder of refugees.

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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling I think people wishing to own their property goes back further than industrial era political concepts. In reality, hardcore communistic ideas are against the spirit of humanity. Hence, why it never has worked.

The spirit of humanity is not owning property.

	10-06-2005 21:31									#99
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It looks like Dr. Z discovered that some animals are more equal than other animals.

	11-06-2005 16:38									#100
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That has been obvious all the time really. It´s one of the reasons Trotsky formed the Left Opposition and later the Fourth International in 1938.

But eventually all power corrupts even in our ranks

	11-06-2005 17:31									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Ned It looks like Dr. Z discovered that some animals are more equal than other animals.

What are you saying Ned, that some communists might actual be of value?

	11-06-2005 17:42									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Bosh But of course. American rightists don't collude in large-scale murder of refugees.

Of course not. There won't be any refugees to speak of after they are done.