14-06-2005 20:52									#1
	China cracks down on house churches Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=3500

quote: Police detain 100 Protestant leaders in raid against house churches in Jilin province Hong Kong (AsiaNews/Caa) – In a major crackdown against house churches in Jilin province, police arrested more than 600 people. About 100 are still in jail. According to China Aid Association, an organization supporting persecuted Christians, late in May police and Public Security Bureau (PSB) officers simultaneously raided about 100 house churches in Changchun area, the capital city of Jilin Province in northeastern China. Almost 600 house church believers and leaders were taken into custody. Most were released after 24 to 48 hours of interrogation, but about 100 of the leaders including professors from Changchun University are still held in different detention centers. Zhao Dianru, 58, an important church leader, was taken away on May 22 and detained at Jiutai City Detention center of Jilin Province until June 6 when he was released. According to reliable sources, Zhao’s arrest document accused him of “using other means to instigate and disturb social stability,” but did not mention religion or church activities. About 20 boxes of Christian books were confiscated during the police raid in his house. Zhao has been overseeing about 18 house churches in his area and was asked to join the government sanctioned church three times recently but he declined. Sources report that university students, professors and other young intellectuals make up a large portion of the raided house church groups. It's believed this is a coordinated campaign to eliminate the house church influence in the university areas. China’s new law on religion, the Provisions on Religious Affairs, took effect March 1. Some had believed the new law would lead to less restriction on unregistered churches, but these large-scale raids and arrests seem to show otherwise. The raided house churches are not all part of the same group, and are not affiliated with any of China’s major house church networks. They are independent house churches with thousands of believers who choose not to register their Christian activities with the Communist government.

	14-06-2005 22:32									#3
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It's easy to sympathize with political activists. It's hard to sympathize with religious nutbags.

	14-06-2005 22:34									#4
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Christians choose the religion they pratice -- thus, they are not entitled to any rights.

	14-06-2005 22:47									#5
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Fascist/communist pigs!

	14-06-2005 22:51									#6
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo It's easy to sympathize with political activists. It's hard to sympathize with religious nutbags.

quote: Originally posted by MrFun Christians choose the religion they pratice -- thus, they are not entitled to any rights.

Even as trolling those are very poor indeed.

	14-06-2005 23:32									#7
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El freako: MrFun is a Christian. He doesn't believe one letter of it.

	14-06-2005 23:34									#8
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	14-06-2005 23:36									#9
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo It's easy to sympathize with political activists. It's hard to sympathize with religious nutbags.

You've got employment potential at Gitmo, my man. You know anything about plumbing?

	15-06-2005 00:49									#10
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quote: Originally posted by el freako Even as trolling those are very poor indeed.

I'm a Christian -- trust me, I was making a SARCASTIC jibe at some other people's logic that if they can prove sexual orientation is a choice, then gays are not entitled to equal rights.

	15-06-2005 00:56									#12
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The communists have been terrified of foreign religions since they took power in 1949. I guess it has to do with the power the Christian missionaries were able to weld in China between 1890-1933 or so. Several key Nationalist leaders who over through the Emperor were Christians and Christianity was associated with industrialization and the modernization of China. The same thing occured in Korea and Japan with Christian converts buildng ties with the west and quickly becoming the business elite in those countries. Japan started to purge Christians with the rise of the facist state in the early 1930's but Korea (North and South) continues to be influenced with even the North's ruling family the Kim's being a traditionally Christian clan. Soeul is a largerly Christian city which I found totally surprising. I had expected them to be Buddist or Confusion like the rest of east Asia but the business and poliical elites are all Christians so it has become fashionable to convert.

	15-06-2005 02:18									#13
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Christianity and Buddhism are tied as the major religions of South Korea.

	15-06-2005 08:13									#14
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Well, this thread became dead quickly.

	15-06-2005 08:21									#15
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Che, come on, that's the best you've got nowadays?

	15-06-2005 08:27									#16
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Silly Chinese. Don't they realize that the Republicans are a white Christian party? One more stunt like that & the US will start buying its toys from Haiti!

	15-06-2005 08:29									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear Che, come on, that's the best you've got nowadays?

I don't even know if he's giving the "thumbs up" to the OP, or to my post. I'm hoping it's not to the OP, because I think what the Chinese are doing is wrong in spite of my sarcastic jibe.

	15-06-2005 08:33									#18
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The first time Christianity came to China it ended up causing the Taiping Rebellion civil war. It's understandable why the government is prudent.

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There is NOTHING prudent about persecuting a religious group.

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I don't even know if he's giving the "thumbs up" to the OP, or to my post. I'm hoping it's not to the OP, because I think what the Chinese are doing is wrong in spite of my sarcastic jibe.

I think because it's Che, it's probably in reference to the OP.

	15-06-2005 08:47									#21
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I hope not -- seriously giving a thumbs up for something like that??

	15-06-2005 09:25									#22
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Wow, Mr. Fun and I on the same side. Should save this thread for posterity.

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quote: Originally posted by Smiley The first time Christianity came to China it ended up causing the Taiping Rebellion civil war. It's understandable why the government is prudent.

Actually that's the second time Christianity came to China. In the 8th Century Nestorian Christianity came to China and several aristocrats converted including the Emperor's Nephew. That nephew later tried to over throw his uncle but failed so Christians were blamed for the rebellion and hunted down. If the Christian faction would have won then there would have been a Christian Emperor and likely much of China would have converted since people always try to copy those in power.

http://www.nestorian.org/the_nestor...ina___the_.html

	15-06-2005 10:10									#24
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I don't know if I believe in religious freedom or not.

	15-06-2005 10:11									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I had expected them to be Buddist or Confusion like the rest of east Asia but the business and poliical elites are all Christians so it has become fashionable to convert.

All religions lead to confusion.

	15-06-2005 10:12									#26
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo I don't know if I believe in religious freedom or not.

Poor troll. Not nearly your best work.

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Poor troll. Not nearly your best work.

How is it a troll?

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov All religions lead to confusion.

:tongue

You know what I meant.

	15-06-2005 22:41									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Wow, Mr. Fun and I on the same side. Should save this thread for posterity.

Of course, you ignore the unfairness that I implied with my sarcastic remark.

	16-06-2005 22:59									#30
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True, you resisted siding with me, but in the end you were forced to agree. You felt bad about that, so you threw in a gratuitous insult.