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Kloreep is offline Kloreep

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As posted in the BOH correspondance thread, BOH has tech credit with us and will be getting Monarchy for Lit.

This presents a problem for getting to the MA. Monarchy is 24 tech points, Currency is 16 and Construction is 20. This leaves AM and DR to trade with. AM is somewhat technology backward anyway, I wouldn't hope for them to be able to give us one of the techs, and DR we will soon join the war with, so if they don't have Currency now or soon it doesn't help. (Euphorica is doing Construction, we should be able to trade Monarchy to them for it. Currency is BOH's subject.)

Now, there are some things we can do. First off, MM+Lit is only 22 tech points. I'm sure BOH will give us those two off Currency.

And then we can get gold from Euphorica for those 4 points to repay more of Currency to BOH.

Still, that leaves 10 points. It's a good thing we're stocking up on gold because we'll have to pay BOH in it unless we can secure Currency elsewhere.

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While chatting with E_T, he reminded me of an important point: We're Scientific, we get a free MA tech. Never mind my last post. We can easily bargain with our free tech.

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Nice!

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We need more libraries! ( on your plans)

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Um the free tech. Euphorica is very interested in that.

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Yes, we should try to get Libaries in our core cities online by the time we reach the MA

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Hey, we should try to get the most out of our free tech.

I think that there is some disparity between out current tech trades, let me look at thinga and post more about it soon.

E_T

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O.k., a quick cut on the techs so far:

We have all of the techs for Anchient Age Except for Republic, Construction & Currency.

Euph, DR & A-M don't have Monarchy, which with 3 civs having it, for the next person to get it, it's BEAKER COST is 420, and our original research cost was 600 Beakers. We have traded it for Lit from Euph and something else from Lost Boys (haven't gotten that far yet).

The next beaker costs for Monarchy are:
4th civ = 420
5th civ = 360
6th civ = 300

DR, LB & A-M Don't have Literature, with only 3 civs having it. For the next civ to get it, it's cost will be 175 (we "paid" 200 for it in the trade that had Monarchy that was valued at 480, very large disparity). I don't know if there is any no-retrade clauses attached to either of these techs.

The next beaker costs for Literature is:
4th civ = 175
5th civ = 150
6th civ = 125

As for the 3 other techs, the base and beaker costs are this:

code:
Tech Base 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th Currency 16 400 360 320 280 240 200 Construction 20 500 450 400 350 300 250 Republic 28 700 630 560 490 420 350

This assumes that there will still be 6 civs when these are traded. If someone is eliminated, then the 2nd to whatever costs are reduced, the 1st cost is ALWAYS the same.

Now, according to what I've found out, based on these numbers, 2 Civs have Currency (no telling when they had gotten it, I would have to get the past saves to look at when exactly. But out 'cost' for buying it, assuming that we are the 3rd civ to get it would be 400 beakers. No one currently (as of the 1450 BC save) has either Construction or Republic, so they are paying the 1st cost to get it.

As for the first of the next age techs:
code:
Tech Base 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th Feudalism 32 800 720 640 560 480 400 Monothesism 36 900 810 720 630 540 430 Engineering 36 900 810 720 630 540 430 Chivalry 32 800 720 640 560 480 400 Theology 40 1000 900 800 700 600 500 Invention 44 1100 990 880 770 660 550

So, for all intents and purposes, we should be selling our free tech for a starting cost of 720 (or 810) beakers, as we will already have that tech, when we get to the next age.

So, don't go and seel our free tech short.

E_T

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Thanks for the spreadsheets. Looks like we are being taken as suckers tech wise. Then again BOH and Euphorica haven't decided to attack us. Peace is of what value?

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Very Nice!

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re: Planet's picture.
Good thing the meanings are written in English. I thought the Early Cuniform for "to eat" was a cat playing the drums.

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