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America's Corporate Benedict Arnolds
by Scott Klinger

'That's un-American' is the cry heard whenever the unwritten code of American values is breached, Compassion, fairness and equal opportunity are hallmarks, and although you might not be able to recite chapter and verse of the code, you know when it is broken.

On this the 204th anniversary of the death of Benedict Arnold, one of America's most famous traitors, it's time to consider whether some of America's largest corporations that pay little or no federal taxes, have indeed become traitors.

Large corporations are in full retreat from paying their fair share of taxes. In 2003, corporations paid just 7% of the cost of the US government, according to a study by Citizens for Tax Justice.

It wasn't always this way. At the end of the Second World War, a time when paying taxes was viewed as a patriotic duty, corporations paid half the cost of the federal government. Even as recently as the 1970s, corporate taxes accounted for 20% of federal treasury receipts.

This dramatic change has shifted the cost of paying for government to smaller businesses and individual taxpayers, while at the same time boosting corporate profits and their executive's pay.

In 2003, ten companies each reported more than $1 billion in profits to their shareholders, yet paid no federal corporate income tax. Collectively, these firms that have claimed the only way they can remain competitive is through tax breaks, earned $30 billion in profits and paid their CEOs $126 million in 2003. The average pay of the CEOs of the corporate Benedict Arnolds was $12.6 million, 51% higher than the pay of the average large-company CEO as reported by Business Week.

Who are these resurrected Benedict Arnolds? A new report published by United for a Fair Economy entitled Corporate Traitors: The Decline of Corporate Taxes and the Subsequent Rise of CEO Pay(.pdf) bestows awards on some of these tax avoiders.

Boeing, the nation's second largest defense contractor, is honored with the 'Taxes are the Real Enemy' Benedict Arnold award. Boeing received the largest federal tax refund in 2003. So large was Boeing's $1.7 billion tax refund that it dwarfed the company's $1 billion in reported earnings, giving the company an effective tax rate of -159% according to Citizens for Tax Justice.

Viagra maker[b] Pfizer[b] took home the 'Taxpaying Dysfunction (TD)' award. Despite $14 billion in profits between 2001 and 2003, Pfizer couldn't get excited enough about paying taxes to perform ­ sending just $1.2 billion to the federal treasury, a miserly effective tax rate of just 8.2%. In contrast, Pfizer's industry competitor Merck paid 32.5% of its $12.7 billion in three-year profits in federal taxes.

Pfizer saw no need to be Scrooge-like when it came to paying its CEO Hank McKinnell, however, who walked away with $21.4 million in 2004, more than three times what Merck paid its CEO.

These disparities in tax rates adversely affect the competitive playing field not only between giant companies like Pfizer and Merck, but to an even greater degree between large companies and small businesses. While the average large company today pays only 18% of its income in federal taxes, many small businesses owners pay 34%.

Two centuries after Benedict Arnold used his power and influence to gain a plum assignment as commander of West Point, and then used that position to surrender this important fort to the British, we are witness to other powerful players using their privilege and standing to rewrite the nation's tax laws for their own gain.

Corporate tax and accounting departments have morphed from backwater cost centers to sexy profit drivers. Investments in research and development have shrunk as investments in aggressive lobbying and accounting have blossomed. These corporate Benedict Arnolds, like their namesakes, are jeopardizing the nation's security.

The American public, angered by Arnold's betrayal, went on to fight and reclaim West Point from the British. Today the fight is about restoring the fairness of the tax system by assuring that corporations pay their fair share to maintain the society upon which their vast wealth depends.

The fight has many fronts

* Congress should reform and simplify the corporate tax code, lowering the rate, eliminating the myriad of tax breaks and implementing progressive tax principles that would tax Big Business at higher rates than small family businesses, reversing the current reality. -The corporate alternative minimum tax, eviscerated by the Clinton Administration, needs to be restored, so that all profitable companies pay taxes.
* We need to withdraw from tax treaties with many of the 90 tax haven nations who aid and abet corporate tax avoiders.

Those who continue down Benedict Arnold's path might, like the infamous traitor, consider taking themselves to another country. Their current behavior is un-American and unacceptable.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0614-25.htm

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10 huge companies including Boeing and pfizer have rigged the tax code in their favor so that they pay nothing or almost nothing in net taxes. That's just horse shite.

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It's wack.

There's alot of ways to avoid paying taxes now. Offshoring tax burdens has been en vogue for about 10 years now, but I thought the Feds had reeled some of the offenders in.

Apparently not.

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Going after corporations won't solve the problem, control needs to be directed at the overpaid CEOs and board members.

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True, it's crazy what the execs are being paid.

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Going after corporations won't solve the problem, control needs to be directed at the overpaid CEOs and board members.


Why can't we do both?

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It's wack.

There's alot of ways to avoid paying taxes now. Offshoring tax burdens has been en vogue for about 10 years now, but I thought the Feds had reeled some of the offenders in.

Apparently not.


Did you momentarily forget that Bush has been president for the past 4 years?

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Do any other defense contractors pile up in the top group of offenders?

And yes, Wal-Mart is not evil, they actually pay their taxes. (for those who didn't read the PDF, they pay 32.5%)

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Another Oerdin lame ass article posting. 2003 was a bad year for corporate profitability and many of these companies had several years of losses and therefore income tax credits to carry over into 2003. Corporate income tax receipts are extremely volatile compared to individual income tax receipts.

Corporate income taxes are bouncing back healthily these days.

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Clearly DanS hates freedom.

The PDF that the article links to paints a worse picture than the article itself...given it a read, capitalist?

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Going after corporations won't solve the problem, control needs to be directed at the overpaid CEOs and board members


Why can't we do both?


Because the bosses would simply cut salaries or fire employees if the corporation got taxed more heavily.

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Oh, so now CEO's are overpaid by what standards? By the standard of "they make more than me" ?

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Another Oerdin lame ass article posting. 2003 was a bad year for corporate profitability and many of these companies had several years of losses and therefore income tax credits to carry over into 2003. Corporate income tax receipts are extremely volatile compared to individual income tax receipts.

Corporate income taxes are bouncing back healthily these days.


I noticed you didn't publish last month's jobs report.

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Oh, so now CEO's are overpaid by what standards? By the standard of "they make more than me" ?


By the wage gap increasing to a factor of 300 to 1, when it's 12 to 1 in the UK

Then there is the Ted Striker "Carly got fired and made $48 million from it" anecdote.

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Did you momentarily forget that Bush has been president for the past 4 years?


It's like when you've been in a traumatic accident, your brain tries to erase all memory of it.

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Boeing paid $1 billionin taxes then worked out a way to get rebates of %1.7 billion from the government giving it an effective tax rate of -159%!

IBM made profits of $14 billion between 2001-2003 yet they only paid only $260 million in net taxes. That's a 1.3% tax rate. Money didn't seem to be a problem for executive pay since it was more then double the average given in Businessweek's survey.

Time-Warner is another corporate cheat that has an effective tax rate of -7.3% with the CEO getting paid among the highest in the world.

Prudential sucks up an amazingly huge subsidy from the government with their effective tax rate of -43%!

Pfizer has worked themselves out a sweet deal where they only pay an 8% tax rate instead of the 32.5% everyone else must pay.

Saks 5th Avenue worked it out so they only pay 2.2% tax compared to Walmarts 33% tax.

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By the wage gap increasing to a factor of 300 to 1, when it's 12 to 1 in the UK

Then there is the Ted Striker "Carly got fired and made $48 million from it" anecdote.


Hey, it's not like it's money out of your pocket, unlike Dubyas meagre pay

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Boeing paid $1 billionin taxes then worked out a way to get rebates of %1.7 billion from the government giving it an effective tax rate of -159%!

IBM made profits of $14 billion between 2001-2003 yet they only paid only $260 million in net taxes. That's a 1.3% tax rate. Money didn't seem to be a problem for executive pay since it was more then double the average given in Businessweek's survey.

Time-Warner is another corporate cheat that has an effective tax rate of -7.3% with the CEO getting paid among the highest in the world.

Prudential sucks up an amazingly huge subsidy from the government with their effective tax rate of -43%!

Pfizer has worked themselves out a sweet deal where they only pay an 8% tax rate instead of the 32.5% everyone else must pay.

Saks 5th Avenue worked it out so they only pay 2.2% tax compared to Walmarts 33% tax.


It's kinda like committing a crime and being a celebrity. If you can afford the best lawyers, you get off.

If you can afford the best creative accountants, you pay less money.

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Now corporate welfare

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Hey, it's not like it's money out of your pocket, unlike Dubyas meagre pay


But it comes out of someone's pocket.

This money should be more evenly distributed to the workers in the company. While the leaders deserve more money, (especially if they are the ones that founded the company), they shouldn't receive it to the point that it's grossly exaggerated for what they are returning to the company.

Too many executives have used companies for their own get rich quick schemes. Company performance be damned.

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Another Oerdin lame ass article posting.


Old Danny boy gets upset when people point out that there is something rotten in Denmark. As far as he is concerned it is apparently A.O.K. that corporations can make billions of dollars in profits but not pay any taxes. In fact many get so many subsidies they actually are a net drain on the national treasury.

Dan, why is it bad to pay for citizen's health care or college educations but it is good to give corporations truly massive subsidies? I'd have had you pegged as being someone who didn't like subsidies but I guess you're more of a partisan then I thought.

Let's keep up with those jobs and unemployment threads. I'd hate to see you stop doing them just because the numbers can't be messaged to look better then they are.

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But it comes out of someone's pocket.


Yes the shareholder'. But it's their call.

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This money should be more evenly distributed to the workers in the company. While the leaders deserve more money, (especially if they are the ones that founded the company), they shouldn't receive it to the point that it's grossly exaggerated for what they are returning to the company.


Again, by what standards?

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Too many executives have used companies for their own get rich quick schemes. Company performance be damned.


And they should rot in prison.

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Yes the shareholder'. But it's their call.


Or, more importantly, workers in the form of layoffs or lower pay.

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Again, by what standards?


Common sense.

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Or, more importantly, workers in the form of layoffs or lower pay.


Companies most often can live with layoffs, and most often can't live without a CEO.

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Whose?

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Companies most often can live with layoffs, and most often can't live without a CEO.


That's just messed up. They can get a new one.

What's funny is that sometimes the CEO isn't replaced until they have done more damage to the company than good.


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Whose?



Any common person that looked at the situation and came to their own conclusion.

I'm not going down that path where we go back and forth and then you say, "the market! equillibrium! supply and demand! fair market value! blah..blah"

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That's just messed up. They can get a new one.


And they can re-hire people. What's your point?

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What's funny is that sometimes the CEO isn't replaced until they have done more damage to the company than good.


Sue their AZZEZ.

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Any common person that looked at the situation and came to their own conclusion.


Am I a common person? Are you?

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I'm not going down that path where we go back and forth and then you say, "the market! equillibrium! supply and demand! fair market value! blah..blah"


I see. You don't go down a path that will end up with you getting PWND?

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And they can re-hire people. What's your point?


What's YOUR point? You just told me they couldn't live without a CEO?

My point is it's alot easier than a line worker to live off their savings than CEO's that are raking in cash, and you know, getting $48 million severance packages.


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I see. You don't go down a path that will end up with you getting PWND?


Not really. Cause that's not the final answer, silly.

Even the government has stepped in, and set limitations on CEO compensation. So, you see, the market isn't always uber alles.

Unfortunatley many companies have loopholed their way around the law by giving out creative total compensation packages.

Saras, I didn't know you were a CEO.

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I haven't researched the companies involved but a couple of points

1. You folks do realize that there are such things as carrryovers and carrybacks of losses. If a company loses 10 billion in year 1, they can make 3 billion, 3 billion and 4 billion in profits over the next 3 years and pay no taxes. Therefore the tax paid versus the profit for a given year is actually a pretty meaningless statistic. The fact that the author uses it repeatedly indicates he wasn't that serious about real analysis.

2. In most countries, corporate profits are taxed again when paid out to shareholders. Is this not the case in the US? If shareholders are taxed as well then the concern should be integration and harmonization so that a dolar earned through a corporate structure would have the same amount of tax paid overall as if it weren't in the corporate structure. The difference in tax treatment in those circumstances would be worthy of study. You have to take the dollar all the way through and out of the corporate structure to assess things though

3. The author complains that a large proportion of corporations pay no tax. Of course they don't. A lot of companies lose money and there are tons that are inactive. I worked at revenue Canada in corporate tax. You would often see filings where a large conglomerate had 2-3 active companies and 10 or 20 that did nothing at all in a given year. I assume similar things happen in the US

4. A methodology question-- The author quotes profits for several large corporations but never breaks out if a significant portion of those amounts are earned outside the US. I presume he wouldn't expect income earned in Canada to be taxed in the first instance in the US.




I'm not saying there isn't a problem with corporate taxation ( I simply don't know) but the stats used in this article are quite frankly GARBAGE. Taxation is much too complex to break down to a simple profit versus tax number in a single year and reach ANY conclusions.

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OH and CEO compensation is frankly no business of the taxman other han the fact that said CEO pays taxes on all that compensation. Its not like the amount you pay a CEO isn't taxed somewhere .

Personally I agree that CEO compensation has gotten too high but thats a shareholders decision. I'm actually more offended by the large amounts earned by movie stars, musicians and sports figures

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Except these are companies which report billions of dollars of profits to share holders then claim they just couldn't possibly survive if they had to pay taxes to the government. These are not companies which are generating loses.

Further more the government taxes transactions so it is a lie to claim that it is double taxation when profits are given to share holders. Legally a corporation is a seporate legal entity very m uch like a person. A share just gives someone rights to one share's worth of profits a company makes and one say in decisions but the share holder is legally a different person then the company. Thus legaly the transfer of money from the company to a share holder is a transaction between two legally different entities. Thus it generates a tax.

The company is covering a contractual obligation buy taking some of its profits and giving them to someone else just like you are when you pay for your household utility bill.

 
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