17-06-2005 11:02									#61
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I agree that the people playing the villains were good in the Burton films, but Keaton was not the best choice for Batman, and the overall mood was not sinister enough- Burton has a more fantastical dark vision, as opposed to a nitty gritty violent darkness that is more in keeping with Batman.

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I kind of blocked a lot of that movie out for obvious reasons .

I remember the mind control TV thingy.

	17-06-2005 11:02									#63
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I think they wanted to return to the spirit of the tv series with the Schumacher movies. Bang! Pow! Pang!

	17-06-2005 11:02									#64
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quote: Originally posted by GePap In the age of CGI, Clayface would be a nice villian to use, or the crock.

Killer Croc is smart enough to make a plan worthy of a movie. Clayface would be cool though but I dought they'd put him on screen though.

Some Bat-Villians I would like:
Bane
Joker and Harley Quinn
Two-Face
Poison Ivy
Scarecrow could even make for an interesting movie as well.

	17-06-2005 11:03									#65
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Nicholson is hard to beat

	17-06-2005 11:04									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I kind of blocked a lot of that movie out for obvious reasons . I remember the mind control TV thingy.

Nah, it's just that you have ADD.

	17-06-2005 11:04									#67
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quote: Originally posted by GePap I agree that the people playing the villains were good in the Burton films, but Keaton was not the best choice for Batman, and the overall mood was not sinister enough- Burton has a more fantastical dark vision, as opposed to a nitty gritty violent darkness that is more in keeping with Batman.

Well more with the comic book and cartoon version of Batman. The live action TV show of Batman (where most people, I'd surmise, knew Batman from before the movies) was definitely not dark .

	17-06-2005 11:04									#68
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I certainly hope they don't do Mark Hamill for the Joker. His voice acting for him is waaaay too cartoony for a "gritty" film, and he doesn't have the right look at all.

That guy from the piano flick...Adrian Brody? I bet HE would make a good Joker.

	17-06-2005 11:05									#69
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quote: Scarecrow could even make for an interesting movie as well.

I believe he is the villain in this flick.

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Clayface would be great in a movie!

Bane is a bit too single minded-not as much flair as some of the others.

I just hope they leave Robin out of it for as long as possible.

spoiler(highlight to read): I guess DD has yet to see the current film from his list of villains

	17-06-2005 11:06									#71
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The live action show of Batman was retarded -- their headquarters was LABELED with its different parts for christ's sake!!

	17-06-2005 11:06									#72
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quote: Originally posted by GePap I agree that the people playing the villains were good in the Burton films, but Keaton was not the best choice for Batman, and the overall mood was not sinister enough- Burton has a more fantastical dark vision, as opposed to a nitty gritty violent darkness that is more in keeping with Batman.

Interestingly, according to IMDB, the creator of the Batman comic books picked Keaton for the role (as project consultant). Adam West actually wanted to be it .

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Scarecrow could even make for an interesting movie as well. I believe he is the villain in this flick.

He's on the loose and presumably could show up again in a major role rather than as a flunkie.

	17-06-2005 11:07									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I certainly hope they don't do Mark Hamill for the Joker. His voice acting for him is waaaay too cartoony for a "gritty" film, and he doesn't have the right look at all. That guy from the piano flick...Adrian Brody? I bet HE would make a good Joker.

WHAT?!

No way, I can't see him being a good Joker, ever. Maybe the Mad Hatter, but Joker?

	17-06-2005 11:08									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Adam West actually wanted to be it .

	17-06-2005 11:08									#76
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quote: Originally posted by GePap spoiler(highlight to read): I guess DD has yet to see the current film from his list of villains

spoiler(highlight to read): I guess GePap left before the movie ended.

	17-06-2005 11:09									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Interestingly, according to IMDB, the creator of the Batman comic books picked Keaton for the role (as project consultant). Adam West actually wanted to be it .

Well, who was around in 1989 (or 90, whatever)? At the time, keaton might have been the best choice, not the best overall choice, nah.

Clooney was a terrible choice for Batman. Kilmer did a better job than him.

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc spoiler(highlight to read): I guess GePap left before the movie ended.

No, Gepap stayed through the credits. gepap just thought maybe releaving who the bad guys are would be a spoiler. Thought I guess that matters more with the real bad guy.

The guy who plays him is one of the weakest choices in casting, I think. The actor looks creepy, but I don;t buy him as a genius anything, and he is way too young.

	17-06-2005 11:12									#79
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Well, who was around in 1989 (or 90, whatever)? At the time, keaton might have been the best choice, not the best overall choice, nah. Clooney was a terrible choice for Batman. Kilmer did a better job than him.

Apparently Mel Gibson was on the list (but he had to do Lethal Weapon 2). Alec Baldwin and Pierce Brosnan were also considered.

	17-06-2005 11:14									#80
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Out of that group Keaton is definitelly the best. He has more of the brooding, something hidden aspect.

The other guys would have been awfull, thought Baldwin not as bad as the other two.

	17-06-2005 11:24									#81
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Baldwin was suprisingly good in 'The Hunt for Red October' and 'Malice' around the same time frame. He has those cold piercing eyes which can make him seem brooding.

	17-06-2005 11:31									#82
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Well, you've seen Team America, Baldwin is the best actor of his generation.

	17-06-2005 11:32									#83
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Actually I haven't

And I love South Park, which makes it that much worse!

	17-06-2005 11:35									#84
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It's not very good. South Park is a lot better. If you rent it, though, be sure to rent the uncensored version. You'll be surprised...

	17-06-2005 11:36									#85
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I wanna see puppet sex

	17-06-2005 11:39									#86
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You should see Avenue Q. It has muppet sex, oh yes it does.

	17-06-2005 12:12									#87
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Anyone else remember those anatomically correct stuffed dolls from the 70s? That's the kind of meaningless crap that I remember from my childhood.

	17-06-2005 14:22									#88
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Should see it this weekend.

	17-06-2005 21:20									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I wanna see puppet sex

Both the censored and uncensored versions feature puppet sex. But some parts of the sex scene have been removed in the censored version.

	18-06-2005 05:01									#90
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I just got back from a matinee of Batman Begins and for me it is the best of the Batman movies. I watched it with my 11 year old nephew. His favorite part was the Batmobile.

The film seemed to be inspired by and to follow the atomosphere of Batman: The Animated Series.

My only complaint was the fight scene camera work. It was much too close, as has already been pointed out.

For the most part it was emotionally engaging and that's very difficult for this kind of movie to pull off. I give it 4.5 out of 5 stars.