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Alexander01
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Okay, so I've been planning this Archaic World (3250 BC - 1000 BC) scenario since Civ3 came out, but never finished, and plan to make it with the more advanced Civ4.
Ideas:
Civilizations:
Sumer
Akkad
Elam
Hatti/Hittites
Amurru/Amorites
Canaan
Salem/Proto-Hebrews
Mitanni/Hurrians
Eteo-Crete/Minoans
Achaia/Mycenae
Ilium/Troy
Upper Egypt
Lower Egypt
Nubia
Indus Valley/Harrappans
Caucasus/Aryans
Xia Dynasty
Shang Dynasty
Zhou Dynasty
Koryo/Choson
Nippon/Jomon
Olmecs
Tuatha de Danann
Religions:
Mesopotamian Myth.
Egyptian Myth.
Greek Myth.
Hebrew Monotheism
Chinese Myth.
Hinduism/Vedicism
Animism?
Wonders:
Tomb of King Scorpion, Abydos, Egypt
"Sargon's War Academy", Akkad
Tower of Babel, Babylon
Labyrinth, Knossos, Crete
Djoser's Step Pyramid, Saqqara, Egypt
the Pyramids, Giza, Egypt
Giant Olmec Heads, Mesoamerica
Walls of Jericho, Canaan
Palace of Minos, Knossos, Crete
Rig Veda/the Vedas/Mahabharata/Bhagavad Gita India
Stonehenge, Britain
Ziggurat of Ur, Sumer
the Epic of Gilgamesh, Sumer
the Ramayana, India
the Lion Gate (of Mycenae), Greece
Travels of Abraham, Hebrews
Ruins of Sanxingdui, China
the Sphinx
Hammurabi's Code
Palace of the Yellow Emperor
Royal Tombs, Anyang
the Temple of Solomon
Dar Kurizgalu (Kassite Capital)
the Sea Peoples
Temple of the Goddess, Catal Huyuk
Abu Simbel
Hanging Gardens
Trojan Horse
Ebla Tablets
Archives of the King of Mari
Harappa Citadel
Agriculture of Shen Nong
Seahenge
Sacred Temple of Amon-ra, Karnak
I'm working on compiling city lists, technological advances, wonders, unique unit ideas, etc.
Any suggestions are most certainly welcome. Please?
Last edited by Alexander01 on 30-07-2005 at 20:54
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KyuuA4
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Where are the Polynesians?
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Spiffor
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:33
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Interesting idea. I'm always more enthusiastic about scenarios that focus on building a civilization than about war scenarios 
OTOH, since Civ traditionally doesn't represent the archaic era very well, there are a few challenges that appear, and that you may want to tackle:
1. The spread of mankind. Basically in Civ, mankind can be found only where the Civs start, and the Civs are the ones responsible for settling the world. However, once a Civ creates a city, the city is firmly in the hands of its creator. I'm not an expert, but I don't think it happened like that in the archaic era: new settlements (at least those far from the centre) took their independance, and the established empires actually unificated many small kingdoms into their culture. I really like the way you divided China
Another problem with the Civ engine is exploration. Since the worldmap shouldn't be too big, the Civs can explore like crazy, and you could well have Greeks that trade techs directly with the Chinese. Do you have ideas on how to seriously restrict exploration? Maybe a handy number of Barbarians in "barrier" regions would help.
Another thing is the role of the mediterranean trade, and the relative unattractiveness of Northern Europe. Maybe the Mediterranean arc should be chock-full of resources (in comparison to Europe's, at least), and maybe you could mod the rules so that irrigation on European tiles produce less food than irrigation on mediterranean ones.
The last thing is about the barriers not to exploration, but to colonization. In particular, Africa could end up being full of Nubian towns. Maybe you should mod many terrains so that they don't even allow for the passage of settlers. The African jungle could be a good barrier to the Nubians then, Siberia wouldn't be a passage between Europe and Asia, etc.
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LDiCesare
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La Ferté sous Jouarre France
Jan 2001
time: 05:33
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I am not sure an archaic scenario should feature all these civs or play on a world map. Something bigger than Kull's Seeds of Greatness could be ok (the Mediteranean and up to India), but including Mesoamericans? Fertile crescent civs and americans won't meet in hte Archaic period.
And the Tuatha De Danaan are probably better replaced by celts, the Tuatha De being the name of the old Irsh gods.
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Alexander01
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So here's some more ideas:
Civ. Title Leader Capital
Sumer, King Nimrod or Gilgamesh or Urukagina, Uruk
Akkad, King Sargon, Akkad
Elam, King Chedorlaomer, Shushan
Hittites, King Suppiluliuma, Hattusas
Amorites, King Sihon, Jericho
Canaanites, King Birsha, Hazor
Hebrews, King Melchizedek, Salem
Hurrians, King Saustatar, Wassukkani
Minoans, Queen Phaedra or King Minos, Knossos
Myceneans, Wanax or Basileos Agamemnon, Mycenae
Trojans, King Priam, Troy
Upper Egyptians, King or Horus Narmer or Serqet (Scorpion), Thinis or Nekhen
Lower Egyptians, Pharaoh Thoth-Khepera, Men-nefer
Kushites, King Apedemak, Kerma
Harappans, Maharaja Rama, Mohenjo-Daro
Aryans, Chieftain Sudas, Veda?
Xia Chinese, Emperor or Di Xia Yu Di or Shang Di or Huang Di, Erlitou
Shang Chinese, Emperor Ch'eng T'ang, Anyang
Zhou Dynasty, King or Wang Wen, Loyang
Choson, King Dan-gun/Tan-gun, Pyongyang
Yamato or Jomon, Emperor Ninigi, Kyoto
Olmecs, King Cohor, Lib?
Tuatha de Danann, Priestess Rhiannon or Lord Cuchulainn, Skara Brae
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Illuminatiscott
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On Elam, your leader should be Shutruk Nahunte, he who stole the steele of Akkad.
And, instead of animism, you MUST put in Zoroatrianism. look it up. It's the oldest surviving religion in the world (even older than Judaism)
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Vince278
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Is it a little late for the Great Wall?
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Alexander01
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quote:
Originally posted by Bosh
Um, those came way later. There wasn't any kind of organized kingdom in Korea that early. |
"According to a classic legend, Korea's first large social civilization, Go-Joseon (고조선; 古朝鮮 , was founded by the man-god Dangun (Tangun) in 2333 BC. Go-Joseon is considered the first Korean kingdom. The name originally used was Joseon (meaning "Land of the Morning Calm"), but later historians started calling it Go-Joseon, or "old Joseon", to distinguish it from the later Wiman Joseon and Gija Joseon (see below). The legend claims that the kingdom was founded by Dangun in southern Manchuria in the basins of the Liao and Daedong Rivers.
In 1122 BC, a kingdom called Gija Joseon was established when a Chinese exile Jizi (Gija) led 5,000 followers to the mountainous peninsula and founded the kingdom by merging with existent populations. Go-Joseon was later revived as Wiman Joseon, which lasted until 108 BC. It has become common to refer to Wiman Joseon, Gija Joseon and the initial Go-Joseon as parts of a longer Go-Joseon period, this time to distinguish them from the later Joseon Dynasty."
Encyclopedia Entry. (above)
I know that Wang Kon flourished AD 877-943, but that's not the culture I'm referring to.
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Illuminatiscott
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The reason the egyptians have so many wonders is because they had the longest un-interrupted civilization in the history of mankind. Egyptian civilization ran from before 3000BCE to 326BCE. And if you count that egypt retained much of its culture and soveriegnty through the hellenistic period, it goes all the way to 44BCE. Also, roman tradition was influenced by egyptian, and the standard egyptian culture flourished in the southern parts of the nile, It goes all the way to 653 CE, when it was conquered by the Arabs.
In conclusion, you should remove the tomb of King Scorpion (it was just a tomb, and not a wonder), and the "Pyramids" (which were built very late in this period), and leave only Djoser's step pyramid, and the sphinx. You could consider putting in the Most Sacred Temple at Karnak, which, IMO, is the most impressive building in egypt.
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Alexander01
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quote:
Originally posted by Illuminatiscott
The reason the egyptians have so many wonders is because they had the longest un-interrupted civilization in the history of mankind. Egyptian civilization ran from before 3000BCE to 326BCE. And if you count that egypt retained much of its culture and soveriegnty through the hellenistic period, it goes all the way to 44BCE. Also, roman tradition was influenced by egyptian, and the standard egyptian culture flourished in the southern parts of the nile, It goes all the way to 653 CE, when it was conquered by the Arabs.
In conclusion, you should remove the tomb of King Scorpion (it was just a tomb, and not a wonder), and the "Pyramids" (which were built very late in this period), and leave only Djoser's step pyramid, and the sphinx. You could consider putting in the Most Sacred Temple at Karnak, which, IMO, is the most impressive building in egypt. |
While I think it is a good idea to include the Temple of Karnak, I do not agree that the Pyramids of Giza should be removed. Are you aware that the Great Pyramid of Khufu was constructed in the 26th Century BC, and the Temple at Karnak in the 16th?
Also, I think the Tomb of King Scorpion should stay. While it is not as impressive as later, more massive edifices, it represented the beginning of Egyptian ceremonial burial, early hieroglyphics, and other cultural achievements.
P.S. Why remove the Pyramids and keep the Sphinx? Most Pyramids predate the Sphinx, ie. those at Saqqara, Dahshur, Meidum, and most of the complex at Giza. Or do you think it was built by extra-terrestrials?  
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