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Paddy the Scot
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Hordeland
Mar 2001
time: 14:33
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BKWM says:
Hi Ljube
Ljube says:
Hi
PLATO says:
Ljube suggests that we read his latest chat with aqua. I am going to pull up the forum now. brb
BKWM says:
I just read it
Ljube says:
what do you think?
Paddy says:
Greetings Horde
PLATO says:
Greetings Great Khan!
BKWM says:
i think he traded his brain for a slug
BKWM says:
Hi paddy
Ljube says:
haha
Paddy says:
May the peace and happiness be with you all in your decisions and thoughts this day.
Strength and Honour be the way the is The Blood Oath Horde.
Paddy says:
a slug is a perfect description Captain Bobby
BKWM says:
He got the better end of the deal
Ljube says:
Another description would be snake. That's your preferred description paddy.
Paddy says:
a snake in the grass.
BKWM says:
I prefere a slug in the grass
Paddy says:
hehehe
Paddy says:
it is all good
Ljube says:
haha
Paddy says:
Gentlemen, I would like to record this chat as an official Horde chat for posting in our forum
Is that fine with you all.
BKWM says:
Sure
PLATO says:
Hmmm...aqua is an interesting diplomat
Ljube says:
sure
PLATO says:
Yes
Ljube says:
tell me plato?
Ljube says:
I think this set him off: "your logic will be your undoing - you give a city to ensure the horde benevolence and friendship"
PLATO says:
He seeks to bargain from strength even when weak...and does not know when that position in untenable.
Paddy says:
sounds like Aqua
Ljube says:
hehe, that's not a very good diplomacy
PLATO says:
In the end, he will always choose death to defeat
Ljube says:
looks more like arrogance to me
Ljube says:
that's a wrong approach
PLATO says:
well, it is designed to create doubt
BKWM says:
I call it stupidity
Paddy says:
hehe
Ljube says:
yes
BKWM says:
arrogant stupidity
PLATO says:
aqua is trying to slow our hand with caution by bargaining from a strong position. Notice that he offered just about everything but the kitchen sink in that chat though
PLATO says:
He is fearful
Ljube says:
hmmm
PLATO says:
I believe now is the time to press the issue
PLATO says:
the issue being attack of course
Ljube says:
it is only natural that he wants to make peace with us at all cost
PLATO says:
Many times fear is portrayed as arrogance
Paddy says:
on that, I am just posting some relevant infor mation in the DR War thread
Paddy says:
it is just loading now
Paddy says:
done.
PLATO says:
checking...
Ljube says:
We moved our army 6 by the way.
Ljube says:
Paddy and I came up with an idea of how to contain the DR and minimise our losses.
BKWM says:
do tell
Paddy says:
Gentlemen, the reason we were meeting this day was to get time with the Bards on the war.
Due to their time constraints they were not able to make it
in that matter, Rhoth (a Bard Turn Player) and I had a long chat
That is posted.
Then he played his turn
Then Ljube and I had a long chat
Then we played our save
Paddy says:
it is in the DR War thread
Ljube says:
yes
Ljube says:
bottom line we don't move on antioch
Ljube says:
because paddy and I think it heavily defended
PLATO says:
indeed.
PLATO says:
Island hopping strategy?
Paddy says:
yes
PLATO says:
I think that is a good application here
Paddy says:
Horde Rocks
PLATO says:
Indeed...RGO ROCKS!
Ljube says:
bards followed RGO plan, finally
Ljube says:
PLATO says:
The timing may actually be advantagous to the overall war effort
Ljube says:
yes
PLATO says:
Any word from the babs?
Paddy says:
no word yet3
Ljube says:
horses spotted moving fast in teh right direction
Paddy says:
troops moving though
BKWM says:
I think we should send our army around to attack their rear
PLATO says:
very good. They may arrive at just the right time after all...hehe
Ljube says:
from which side?
Ljube says:
bobby?
Ljube says:
in which direction?
BKWM says:
From the right
Ljube says:
so, moving 6 this turn
Ljube says:
then move to the ridge
Ljube says:
and over the ridge attack which city?
PLATO says:
What is the city between Invictus and Aquarious
Ljube says:
Inner Sanctum their capital
Ljube says:
but not directly between
BKWM says:
that one
Ljube says:
yes, we considered that
PLATO says:
ahh...I wonder if we moved in that direction if aqua would empty antioch to defend it and thus clear path for babs from the west?
Ljube says:
or for our reinforcements
PLATO says:
as a fient...much like the bards with invictus
Ljube says:
yes, but I think aqua will defend invictus
Ljube says:
he has no choice but to
PLATO says:
yes, but he will move troops to inner sanctum from somewhere
BKWM says:
He doesn't have the military power to fihgt three seiges at once
Ljube says:
probably not
Ljube says:
the problem I see is we have poor quality attackers and their cities are mostly on hills/with walls
PLATO says:
I then suggest that once troops are moved to inner sanctum that we engage a pincher movement on invictus with us and bards
Ljube says:
yes, my thoughts exactly
PLATO says:
we must work the numbers while we have them
Ljube says:
Invictus is the weakest link
Ljube says:
If we could capture it, I would keep it
PLATO says:
yes, i agree.
BKWM says:
mostdefinatly
PLATO says:
It would be a powerful city and control their entire seacoast
PLATO says:
The timing will be critical.
Ljube says:
another lux for us
PLATO says:
We must make a move toward inner sanctum that will neccesitate troop movement. The babs then need to show up...then we wheel east and bards attack
Paddy says:
awesome
Ljube says:
yes, paddy and I planned a move that would potentially threaten all three cities
Ljube says:
it wouldn't be sure which one is the target
Paddy says:
and Bards may have taken the other city prior to this
Ljube says:
yes
PLATO says:
But aqua must be convinced that it is inner sanctum
Ljube says:
yes
Ljube says:
at first he must be convinced it is antioch
Ljube says:
his key city
PLATO says:
he must assume this for at least a couple of more turns...he has no choice
PLATO says:
he cannot afford to be wrong on that one
Ljube says:
indeed
Ljube says:
Paddy and I also planned combat settlers and workers. One settler and posibly two workers would be sent to build a horde outpost near Invictus.
Paddy says:
yes
BKWM says:
good
Paddy says:
an nice little enclave that the bards would settle around in the end
Paddy says:
but save in our Alliance
PLATO says:
I like that plan as well
Paddy says:
if WE get invictus that would be grand
Ljube says:
yes, invictus + outpost city
Ljube says:
we would be strong in the region
PLATO says:
it is likely that we will if bards spearhead attack and we follow up
Ljube says:
yes
PLATO says:
where are the bard catapults?
Paddy says:
also Babs will be on DR eastern bordeer
Paddy says:
in their stack of doom
PLATO says:
I suggest that they head straight for aquarious
Ljube says:
bard catapults are in their homeland
Ljube says:
they couldn't wheel them up those mountains
Ljube says:
and they didn't want to build a full road
Paddy says:
ahh ok
Paddy says:
yes of course
PLATO says:
they should move up with their next wave...they would be very useful against those walls
BKWM says:
they might tip the scales more in our favor for a quick victory
Ljube says:
personally I would prefer is horde would capture invictus
Ljube says:
I think we have the stuff for it
PLATO says:
I do to, but I would like to see the catapults level inner sanctum
BKWM says:
I would also like to see inner sanctum fall to the Horde
Paddy says:
yes please
Paddy says:
yet....
PLATO says:
well, we have to let our allies have something! hehe
Ljube says:
Let them take antioch if they think it's easy
PLATO says:
you are soooooo bad!
Paddy says:
indeed
Ljube says:
no, me good
PLATO says:
Paddy says:
hahahaha
PLATO says:
hahahaha
PLATO says:
excellent!
Paddy says:
Yes Colonel you are good, good at being baddd
Ljube says:
hahaha
PLATO says:
hahaha
BKWM says:
You are very good at being bad.
BKWM says:
keep up the good... er ...bad work
Ljube says:
hahaha
Paddy says:
ok lads a few things we need to look at
PLATO says:
k
Ljube says:
ok
Paddy says:
1. do we get a new settler down near the Furnace, so as to take more of the centre of the map now.
Ljube says:
YES
Ljube says:
monopoly on incense please
PLATO says:
yes
PLATO says:
As in chess...take the center
BKWM says:
i like chess
Paddy says:
ok, so please open your saves, and lets look at the map for the optimun location
Ljube says:
I already planned that
Ljube says:
the optimal location in my oppinion is 8-8-8 from lake ishtar
PLATO says:
opening now
BKWM says:
me as well
Ljube says:
It si also an excellent base for the future invasion of babylon
Paddy says:
thank you
PLATO says:
Yes...that is an excellent location. It has several advantages
PLATO says:
excellent food, commerce and defense. Good eye Ljube!!
Ljube says:
thanks, planned it the next turn after furnace
Ljube says:
but never came to the centre of attention
Paddy says:
hmmmm
Ljube says:
hmm, you have doubts paddy?
Paddy says:
I understand your desire for base this far don
Paddy says:
my main focus was more into the centre
Paddy says:
not saying you are incorrect at all
Ljube says:
toward the DR?
Paddy says:
was thinking something for between The Furnace - Bloodview - Metalica
Paddy says:
a consolidation city
Ljube says:
I also planned the consolidation city
Paddy says:
expanding our current border
Ljube says:
Ljube says:
3-3-6 from FA
Paddy says:
ok, so firstly a consolidation city
Paddy says:
nice hill
Ljube says:
well, I don't know, we have few settlers and we shouldn't let someone else take that incense
PLATO says:
hmmm...I don't know. That incense won't last forever
Ljube says:
we think alike plato
BKWM says:
Incense first.
Paddy says:
if we stretch to far we have to defend it
Ljube says:
this is going to be a nice poll schmoll in our horde
PLATO says:
hehe
PLATO says:
against who at this point?
Paddy says:
and if the babs build we know a great target to take
Paddy says:
My goal is consolidation cities
Paddy says:
an outpost for the war indeed
Paddy says:
bring it on lads
BKWM says:
we can make them pay gpt if we monopolize the incense
PLATO says:
bards and babs will be occupied as well as DR. LB has not the strength or will and A-M is not willing to tangle with us again
Ljube says:
as you can see from my prompt reply to both requests I though about conolidation too
PLATO says:
Why not do both?
Ljube says:
where would the settlers come?
PLATO says:
FA and KBH
Paddy says:
Rob will need to weave magic
Paddy says:
KBH is off the list
Ljube says:
KBH war production
PLATO says:
indeed! Rob will be able to plan something
Paddy says:
Bloodview and FA are settler pumps
PLATO says:
haha...see what happens when you try to get a mongol to give up a horse factory! hehe
Paddy says:
they are at good size now as well
Paddy says:
indeed
Paddy says:
Horse - for later upgrade
and Ancient Cav
KBH is awesome for Horde
Ljube says:
yes, best city in the world
Ljube says:
I don't care what the demographics says
BKWM says:
absolutely awesome
Ljube says:
it puts too much emphasis on culture
Ljube says:
culture hahaah
PLATO says:
I agree...Perhaps Bllodview can spare a settler then?
Ljube says:
yes alredy voted for
Paddy says:
yes that changed this turn
Paddy says:
in 5 to 7
Ljube says:
however, we need a stteler for incense outpost, for consolidation, for dyes and for the DR outpost
Ljube says:
that's 4 and we're producing only 2
PLATO says:
Well...I think we could wait that long on consolidation to get a monopoly on a lux. What do you guys think?
Ljube says:
we also need units to protect these settlers and new cities
Ljube says:
yes, I'm all for lux monopoly
Ljube says:
though, lux monopoly can cause jealousy
Paddy says:
yes massive jealousy
Paddy says:
and we are a target with our SoZ and our strength
Ljube says:
Ok, we'll set up a poll on this. We'll list all pros and cons and let the horde decide. We won't act on this until a qualified majority (9 votes) is reached.
Ljube says:
what do you think?
BKWM says:
good plan
PLATO says:
well...there are many things to discuss on it. Maybe discussion first?
Ljube says:
yes, discussion first ok
Paddy says:
Poll away, but still several items that will need to be looked at
Paddy says:
Diplomacy is a key to settling that far from our core
Ljube says:
discussion on future cities, resurrection of the city planning thread
Paddy says:
yes please
Paddy says:
about time
Paddy says:
on page 73 or something
Paddy says:
hehe
BKWM says:
works for me
PLATO says:
Well...maybe there are some diplomatic items to be handled first...just would hate to see someone else get that city. Of course, we will take it later anyway.
Ljube says:
BKWM says:
PLATO says:
okay then...consolidate first and then discuss Incense City
Ljube says:
OK, this issue is undecided. We'll discuss it in the forum first. Paddy, what's next on teh agenda?
Paddy says:
2. the settler for the 2 dyes upo in the north east
where?
Paddy says:
on a dye, near a dye etc
Ljube says:
on dyes
BKWM says:
agreed
PLATO says:
Didn't Rob have a location suggestion?
Ljube says:
7-7-7-7 from ta-tu
PLATO says:
on the dyes itself?
Ljube says:
yes, tat's what rob suggested
PLATO says:
yes, I believe thats it
Ljube says:
many days ago
Paddy says:
we all happy with that?
PLATO says:
yes
Ljube says:
I happy and our citizens will be very happy
BKWM says:
yes
Paddy says:
3. do we push another settler into our north east along the Bards border?
Ljube says:
no time I guess
Ljube says:
and we need barb farms I think
Ljube says:
training grounds
PLATO says:
yes...we have higher settling priorities I think
Paddy says:
good
Paddy says:
4. road to AM
they have now completed the road to our border
we have 1 worker on this, do we get another?
they have lux to trade (so my notes say)
Ljube says:
NO
Ljube says:
I'll use Chris's style
Paddy says:
do tell
Ljube says:
NO
Ljube says:
that's his style
Ljube says:
I mean, it's a risk
PLATO says:
Do you fear A-M treachery?
BKWM says:
I am against another worker on them
Paddy says:
NO is not an answer
Paddy says:
I want to here reasons
Ljube says:
vigilance
Ljube says:
shortage of workers
BKWM says:
We should not waste another worker on them
Paddy says:
ok. thank you.
Ljube says:
but this can be polled too
Paddy says:
5. Red Guard issues at last
do we reinforce Army Group East - the lads at DR?
Ljube says:
yes
PLATO says:
no
PLATO says:
here is why
Paddy says:
Bring it on lads
BKWM says:
i am not sure
PLATO says:
I think we need a flanking force. Aqua is moving units to cover contingency. This will create targets of opportunity. We can move main force to draw his defenses and sneak in back door with the flanking units
Ljube says:
this is a good plan
Ljube says:
there is a problem though, for this we need AC to protect the horses
PLATO says:
More troops for sure, but not as part of army group east...a seperate force
Ljube says:
but we're producing much more horses than AC
BKWM says:
I like this idea
Ljube says:
so horses produced would just sit there doing nothing
PLATO says:
if the force is used correctly, it will need little protection
Ljube says:
I'm not happy about sending horses with no protection
PLATO says:
Any attackers it will draw will also weaken other spots in his defense network
BKWM says:
we would only need to do as the mongols did
BKWM says:
use hit and run tactics
PLATO says:
I think some well thought out risks could be extremely beneficial
Ljube says:
I hate risks
Ljube says:
my battles are flawless because I don't take risks
PLATO says:
ahhh...but it is war. In war risk vs reward must be analyzed
Ljube says:
the problem is there are many other nations and our chief goal is not victory in this war, but victory at a very low price
BKWM says:
If you are afraid to take risks, you will eventually be defeated by some lucky old coot
PLATO says:
yes, but in 9 turns we can have 3 AC for protection and a formidable horse force for them to escort. I am not suggesting taking heavy losses
Ljube says:
3 AC is very few
Ljube says:
I would prefer 6-7
Ljube says:
or a supplement of spears/swords
PLATO says:
Yes, but three should be sufficient for this forces mission
Paddy says:
a fast moving force can be very dangerous
Ljube says:
if they leave antioch empty or nearly empty for instance
Ljube says:
yes it can
PLATO says:
It is to take advantage of targets of opportunity...not to be a main battle force
Paddy says:
we have the Babs with just fast movers
Ljube says:
yes
BKWM says:
we should kill immortals with hoses
PLATO says:
between our fast movers and babs fast movers...aqua will be forced to spread thin or loose cities
BKWM says:
or both
Ljube says:
this is true, but we won't have the numbers by the time babs attack
Ljube says:
we can have at most 2 AC
Ljube says:
and some 5 horses
PLATO says:
that is okay. The attacks don't need to be simultaneous
Ljube says:
I hope babs manage to destroy aquarius
BKWM says:
but they should be close together
Ljube says:
without horses DR is doomed
Paddy says:
yes indeed
PLATO says:
The bab attack will draw some of aqua's troops. Then a combined assault on invictus with bards will spread his defense line across his north. Then our new force slices in from southwest.
BKWM says:
DR is doomed period
PLATO says:
his underbelly will be grossly exposed
Ljube says:
I like your optimism but I would advise caution. They are strongly fortified and may not fall so easily.
PLATO says:
aqua will be defending on essentially four fronts against three nations at that time and possibly 3 cities down. I think that warrants a fast moving force without escort
Ljube says:
Hmm, he won't lose a city so soon.
Ljube says:
How many immortals do you think he has?
BKWM says:
too many
PLATO says:
he has lost Sidon...Will loose invictus in combined assault...good chance to loose antioch if babs attack angle is good
Ljube says:
Invictus seems doomed, but I wouldn't count much on him losing antioch
PLATO says:
No matter how strong his immortal production, he cannot match three nations. The production of immortals is a reason for speed anyway...not an argument against it
PLATO says:
oops...meant aquarious...not antioch
Ljube says:
ah, yes he may lose aquarius which was empty the last time we checked
Ljube says:
if we rush now we will live to regret our decisions later
PLATO says:
so...possibly three cities down and facing three fronts when our fast movers arrive...is that worth the risk?
PLATO says:
I think so.
BKWM says:
i agree
Paddy says:
ok, we have many differing ideas here
I would like you all to come back to this chat in the coming 24 - 48 hours, read this section very carefully, and develop your plans and ideas, then post your results.
PLATO says:
I am not saying to rush a decision. There is time for RGO to evaluate these matters before they would be implemented
Ljube says:
yes, please also consider the defensive aspects of several DR cities
Paddy says:
indeed
Ljube says:
Inner Sanctum = size 7, hill, capital
Paddy says:
ok, thank you.
Ljube says:
ok
PLATO says:
Consider it done!
Paddy says:
7. The front
http://apolyton.net/forums//showthr...985#post3869019
please follow that link
Paddy says:
I hope that helps with some of your planning and ideas development
Ljube says:
yes, it will
BKWM says:
thank you paddy
Paddy says:
ok. thank you.
Paddy says:
8. Regimental Commanders
http://apolyton.net/forums//showthr...threadid=129520
post 2.
Paddy says:
looking at roles of Regimental Commanders.
Paddy says:
opinions please....
PLATO says:
Looks good to me. With detailed planning and RGO approval required, it seems a pretty realistic Commander's role
Ljube says:
yes
Paddy says:
Bobby?
BKWM says:
It is a very efficient military
Paddy says:
ok. thank you.
Paddy says:
9. Other business
I now open the floor to other business
we will work around the group
and at the end we can then cover any things that we remember once place has moved on
Paddy says:
Plato, do you have any other buisiness?
PLATO says:
yes...
PLATO says:
any suggestions for current contacts with Lost Boys?
Ljube says:
our worker is at the mercy of their warrior
Ljube says:
grim death had to move to protect furnace from barbarians
PLATO says:
Is there anything that we want from LB? Should we solicit their involvement in the war? Could we offer them anything to partiipate?
Ljube says:
yes, we can promise them part of DR land
Paddy says:
yes we want them to push the DR southern vorder asap
Paddy says:
get them in
PLATO says:
I will e-mail 1889 tonight. We offer DR land and they attack DR south
Ljube says:
yes
Ljube says:
with only a couple of swords and numidian defenders
Ljube says:
they are unstoppable
Paddy says:
yes
PLATO says:
Okay...I 'll get that going. No further Plato business
Ljube says:
I have one short question: What to do with aqua?
PLATO says:
kill him
Ljube says:
Should I contact him or wait for him to contact me?
PLATO says:
hehe
Ljube says:
PLATO says:
wait for him...he is the one sweating
BKWM says:
poison his beer with a deadly slow acting toxin
Ljube says:
PLATO says:
haha...you'll never be my bartender!
Paddy says:
eeekkkk
Paddy says:
ok, Catian Bob, do you have any other business?
BKWM says:
no Warlord Paddy Sir
Paddy says:
thank you.
Paddy says:
Ljube, Colonel, do you have any other business?
Ljube says:
Only one remark.
Ljube says:
Remember when I told aqua in our firts chat taht his warrior colin disrupted our time schedule
Ljube says:
I now checked the red guard thread and it is true
Ljube says:
he told me he didn't believe that
Paddy says:
ok. thank you.
Paddy says:
I have one item as well.
Paddy says:
We have a large Horde, many members.
Yet we see little to nothing of some of them
I would encourage you all to get out and say hello via email or msn to someone who we hear little of.
all contact details are to be found in the Blood Oath Horde Red Guard thread.
Yes a personal challenge I put here
you do not have to suddenly contact everyone, but go forth and say hello to just one other Horde mem
Paddy says:
member
Paddy says:
Thank you.
Ljube says:
thank you I will
Ljube says:
I was thinking about vova
PLATO says:
It shall be done Great Khan!
Ljube says:
vovan
PLATO says:
Where is Iron Jackson?
Paddy says:
Lurking.
BKWM says:
I will contact as many people as I can before I forget
Ljube says:
why sin't he posting
Paddy says:
not mine to answer
Ljube says:
he is a renowned civver
PLATO says:
Earthworm seems to be a lurker also. We should find a role for both of them
Ljube says:
his input would be preciuos
Ljube says:
Earthworm is pure lurker
Paddy says:
Ok, my time is almost up.
I will be leaving soon, family bbq.
I hope you all have a great morning / night / time
please chat away, I am sure the three of you have many things to get sorted
Thank you one and all for this excellent chat.
I will post this in the in the in a new thread and lock it, so all thoughts etc are then taken to either the city thread, or the DR war thread
Ljube says:
excellent idea
PLATO says:
You may want to post links to the referenced threads as well.
BKWM says:
bravo Paddy
Paddy says:
organising links now
BKWM says:
Have fun at the bbq oh Great Khan!
PLATO says:
Thank you all for a great chat as well. Ben working all day and now time to sit back and relax. Enjoy the bbq Paddy.
Ljube says:
Yes, enjoy with your family paddy.
Paddy says:
City Placement Thread
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=129165
The Desolator War Thread
http://apolyton.net/forums//showthr...threadid=134863
Paddy says:
Thank you all
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